I see that Big Booger is staying busy.

[rik]

Women report more groping on Tokyo trains

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=857&ncid=757&e=10&u=/nm/20050208/od_uk_nm/oukoe_crime_japan_gropers

TOKYO (Reuters) - Women travelling on Tokyo's packed commuter trains are reporting increasing levels of groping and sexual assault, city police say.



Police on Tuesday said 2,201 such incidents were reported in 2004, the worst level on record and three times the figure for 1996.


About 60 percent of the victims of more serious sexual assaults, which involve the threat of rape and are sometimes carried out by groups of men, were female high school students. Less serious cases usually involve groping or using hidden cameras to take pictures of women's underwear, police said.


One teenager sent a message to police appealing for help on behalf of a friend who was being molested on the train almost daily, the regional Tokyo Shimbun said.


Most of the incidents took place between 7 a.m. and 9 a.m., when Tokyo trains are packed with students and office workers. No figures were available for arrest rates, although Kyodo news agency said most suspects were in their 30s.


The number of incidents fell temporarily after the Tokyo city government increased penalties for groping to up to six months in prison or a fine of up to 500,000 yen (2,700 pounds) in 2003. Sexual assault carries a possible prison sentence of up to 7 years.


The rise in the number of cases could be due to women being more willing to report assaults, Kyodo reorted police as saying.


Station and train patrols and publicity campaigns have failed to control the problem, and some railway companies have introduced women-only carriages.

[hotmale]

:eek:

[cash_site]

I think they watch too watch TV, they need to get out more and actually meet the girls... now they are too desparate and go for groping... eww :eek:

LOL, "Rik, stop touching me!" :p

[Big Booger]

Yep and those women only trains work rather well. Some cars on trains are women only as well.

It's a sad fact. I and my wife rarely ride trains here.

[PIPER]

Yep and those women only trains work rather well. Some cars on trains are women only as well.

It's a sad fact. I and my wife rarely ride trains here.

Together anyway.... :rolleyes: ....who is that masked man!!....wah ha ha....jk dood.

[GimieGimieGimie]

LOL @ Thread Title :D

Man, the whole topic is horrible, makes me sick, the guys guilty are sad pathetic f**kers who should have their knobs cut off! :mad:

[Big Booger]

They target school girls because they wear skirts and can feel their panties... it is sick.

Most smart girls park their asses against the door/wall.. or in a seat... but when it is packed.. there is not much you can do.

[GimieGimieGimie]

They target school girls because they wear skirts and can feel their panties... it is sick.

Most smart girls park their asses against the door/wall.. or in a seat... but when it is packed.. there is not much you can do.

One of the first things to "help" solve a problem like this is to remove the skirts and replace them with a less revealing attire, like trousers.

It won't stop the guys actually touching things they ain't ment to be, but taking away the visual stimulations like the viewing of naked flesh "legs" and blocking direct access to the virginal area would work wonders.

Regardless of the wheather, we as a human race must accept that concepts must change to save our selves from our selves.

I see little girls, aged 8-10 wearing skirts and tights to go to school, it makes me sick knowing that, that's going to turn someone on, still no one changes anything, the wheather in London isn't even hot, i know we can't stop it, people will always have problems, but it's a start.

[egghead]

One of the first things to "help" solve a problem like this is to remove the skirts and replace them with a less revealing attire, like trousers..

Umm...You mean lead armour dont you?

[GimieGimieGimie]

Umm...You mean lead armour dont you?

LOL! :D

Yeah, that would help, you think the girls would mind? ;)

[lynchknot]

Well when compared to the amount of rapes (every age group) every second in the US, this is child's play. Errr.. that did not sound right - sorry.

[piaqt]

One of the first things to "help" solve a problem like this is to remove the skirts and replace them with a less revealing attire, like trousers.

It won't stop the guys actually touching things they ain't ment to be, but taking away the visual stimulations like the viewing of naked flesh "legs" and blocking direct access to the virginal area would work wonders.

Regardless of the wheather, we as a human race must accept that concepts must change to save our selves from our selves.

I see little girls, aged 8-10 wearing skirts and tights to go to school, it makes me sick knowing that, that's going to turn someone on, still no one changes anything, the wheather in London isn't even hot, i know we can't stop it, people will always have problems, but it's a start.
Popular misconception--suggestive attire triggers abuse. It's not about sex. It's about power.

In other words, forget armor. I prefer flamethrowers, myself. Anyone tries anything, fry him where it counts.

[egghead]

there was a ball player story kicking around...

I'm sure he can show them how to dice and slice :D

:runs:

[piaqt]

there was a ball player story kicking around...

I'm sure he can show them how to dice and slice :D

:runs:
after which, he'd be a no-balls player....

[hotmale]

One of the first things to "help" solve a problem like this is to remove the skirts and replace them with a less revealing attire, like trousers.I'd recommend the Islamic costume. Not because it's less inviting though; I have a better reason. Those perverts wouldn't know who's hiding under it :D ;) It could be one of the girls' brother or father. It could be some undercover agent/cop :p

[lynchknot]

I'd recommend the Islamic costume.
Do they come in spandex?

[piaqt]

@ L/K: http://www.emotipad.com/emoticons/Chair%20Fall.gif

[cash_site]

One of the first things to "help" solve a problem like this is to remove the skirts ... guys ... touching things ... visual stimulations like the viewing of naked flesh "legs" and direct access to the virginal area would work wonders.... I see little girls, aged 8-10 wearing skirts and tights to go to school, it makes me ... turn ... on

Sorry for paraphrasing... From what BB says, it must be a major problem and could only spread to other countries with packed trains... how are the subways in NYC or London??

Sort of Lucky in Aus, with only avg of 2 people per kilometre, you are lucky to see another person LOL.

[lynchknot]

Well cash, it they're riding the train down under in the position of your sig and wearing the same outfit....you can't blame me or my "power issues"

[egghead]

i'm gonna wear a skirt and head to the train... sounds like a friday night party ride :D

yeehaw.

ok... getting a handle on the situation

i think i would be punched more than anything

[rik]

Rofl

[lynchknot]

You in a skirt and BB in his Daisy Dukes are going to get hit any way you look at it.

[FastGame]

i'm gonna wear a skirt and head to the train... sounds like a friday night party ride :D

yeehaw.

ok... getting a handle on the situation

i think i would be punched more than anything
what are you a wimp ? can't you beat off your attackers :rolleyes:

Forget the train, do the San Francisco trolly instead.

[rik]

what are you a wimp ? can't you beat off your attackers :rolleyes:

Forget the train, do the San Francisco trolly instead.

FG, You really need to word things more carefully... ;)

[lynchknot]

Lmfao

[FastGame]

FG, You really need to word things more carefully... ;)
ok sorry :o

egg your not a wimp and San Francisco is a nice place with safe trolleys .

[piaqt]

You in a skirt and BB in his Daisy Dukes are going to get hit any way you look at it.
Actually, I'd rather not. Hairy legs.

[cash_site]

Actually, I'd rather not. Hairy legs.
Here you go Easy Fix (http://www.blushingbuyer.co.uk/acatalog/blushingbuyer_co_uk__Nads_Hair_Removal_39.html)

I think they can deliver straight to Japan and Canada, cant wait to see BB and Egg in San F. :eek:

[piaqt]

Here you go Easy Fix (http://www.blushingbuyer.co.uk/acatalog/blushingbuyer_co_uk__Nads_Hair_Removal_39.html)

I think they can deliver straight to Japan and Canada, cant wait to see BB and Egg in San F. :eek:
I thank you from the bottom of my corneas.

[GimieGimieGimie]

Sorry for paraphrasing... From what BB says, it must be a major problem and could only spread to other countries with packed trains... how are the subways in NYC or London??

Sort of Lucky in Aus, with only avg of 2 people per kilometre, you are lucky to see another person LOL.

As far as i know, i haven't read or heard anywhere that it's become an issue here, that being said, my friend who is male was grouped by a batty man a few months back, he is now traumatised for life :D

[SupaStar]

One of the first things to "help" solve a problem like this is to remove the skirts and replace them with a less revealing attire, like trousers.


I don't think it should ever have to get to this. Why stop the girls from wearing what they want? It is a free country isn't it?

I don't understand how other commuters could stand for it...if it happened on a train over here, the bloke would get the shit beaten out of him.

[Big Booger]

I don't think it should ever have to get to this. Why stop the girls from wearing what they want? It is a free country isn't it?

I don't understand how other commuters could stand for it...if it happened on a train over here, the bloke would get the shit beaten out of him.

http://www2.gol.com/users/hefej/bench.jpg

http://www2.gol.com/users/hefej/newg.jpg

http://www2.gol.com/users/hefej/ls.jpg

http://www2.gol.com/users/hefej/stairs.jpg

problem is you have girls like above, that want those sicko's attention. They dress provocatively, getting the pervs jiggies off...

i'm not saying we should ban people from wearing whatever they want.. but it's like this, can you rub honey in a bear's face and expect it not to react?

[FastGame]

I don't understand how other commuters could stand for it...if it happened on a train over here, the bloke would get the shit beaten out of him.
Man I really like Australia :D a long time ago in the US we could do that, now we can only tell them "time out go sit in a corner"

In the US the police are the only ones allowed to beat the crap out of someone :rolleyes: LA has the best police for that.

[GimieGimieGimie]

I don't think it should ever have to get to this. Why stop the girls from wearing what they want? It is a free country isn't it?

I don't understand how other commuters could stand for it...if it happened on a train over here, the bloke would get the shit beaten out of him.

Good post BB,

Supastar, it all comes down to choice, the problem is, most the female population doesn't seem to notice this "choice",

That choice is simple, you either cover up, which has a majority of benefits, including warmth and protection from the whether, or you reveal skin.

Revealing skin results in sexual attention, regardless of age, skin or creed.

This is FACT, and i would love to see someone argue otherwise, what also is FACT, is that things are turning from bad to worse and i haven't seen any preventions put into force regarding these type of sexual attacks, which is quite frankly, disturbing.

I'm sure if the facts were put into words like this and verbally spoken to a girl who likes to show off flesh, maybe she would put more consideration into what she wears before she next goes out.

The problem is, people still think this is a free world, it isn't, you can't chose what you want without suffering the consequences of your actions, if you was the only person on this planet, the only living life form, then you will be free of at least what i like to call, "public danger".

But even then you aren’t "free" because if you wanted to live in the Antarctica naked as your own individual choice, you would certainly die within hours.

Choice is freedom of the soul and is the most precious thing in the universe and in my opinion is what makes a human, a human, but what incurs in this world from our choices is certainly out of our hands, and we just have to accept what's coming to us from that choice, OR make another choice.

The world is free and happy in the mind, always will be, always has and i would fight with every last breath i had to keep this a reality.

But in real life, this just isn't reality, and people have to realise that life is a war between good and evil and that is what we are born into and we have to use digression and something called intelligence to survive, or do one better, and obtain happiness, something every human person DESERVES.

P.S. I know I’m opening up a whole can of whoop ass here, and you could argue this is my own twisted take on the world, but at least i'm not a pervert, or a rapist and do you think i want to feel/think like this?

These words/understandings certainly aren’t my choice, i would rather live in the fantasy world most of my friends seem to live in, they are far happier then i, at least for now, until the world (people) screws them over and reality finally hits home.

I'm more then happy to debate this subject of skirts (heh), but if i am to do so, i don't want any hostilities ok?

If we are going to speak logic/beliefs, bad/negitive emotions have to be put a side if i'm to take anyone seriously and give replys back.

[rik]

LA has the best police for that.


You haven't been to Texas lately...

;)

[lynchknot]

It's not about freedom, or lack of - it's respect. Humans beings must respect one another, no matter if they show flesh or not. No or no further invitation means no. You can look but don't invade another's boundaries without permission. The "sickos" need to learn - behavior modification, or get locked up. Why let a few sickos ban the use of short skirts? I rather enjoy looking.

[piaqt]

You guys still don't get it. Sexual abuse has NOTHING to do with provocation. It's about power, not sex. Nuns get raped, and I've never heard anyone describe a habit as sexy. The elderly get raped, too. No one's ever been turned on by liver spots and wrinkles.

[GimieGimieGimie]

You guys still don't get it. Sexual abuse has NOTHING to do with provocation. It's about power, not sex. Nuns get raped, and I've never heard anyone describe a habit as sexy. The elderly get raped, too. No one's ever been turned on by liver spots and wrinkles.

Piaqt, in some cases yes, in some cases no, i think it's 50/50 actually, but to be honest there's no way of knowing unless you go around asking these perverts one by one and actually believing their answers as the truth.

I personally think that most cases are a bit of both, selfishness (power) and powerful sexual urges combined, left to be uncontrolled by the weak minded, weak in both will power and morals, but you can rest assured, fueled with very high selfishness.

Most people on this earth make me sick.

It's not about freedom, or lack of - it's respect. Humans beings must respect one another, no matter if they show flesh or not. No or no further invitation means no. You can look but don't invade another's boundaries without permission. The "sickos" need to learn - behavior modification, or get locked up. Why let a few sickos ban the use of short skirts? I rather enjoy looking.

I think my belief still stands with the freedom, they are directly linked, don't get me wrong, i love to see girls eh-hum flesh, especially clevages :D

But if god called me up and said to me, son, if i made every girl cover up so you couldn't get tempted by the fruits of the world, but it would help deter perverts, i would, without a shadow of a doubt, agree with the decision.

I would make that sacrifice.

[zipp51]

I thought this document brought Piaqt's point about power home.

[SupaStar]

You guys still don't get it. Sexual abuse has NOTHING to do with provocation. It's about power, not sex. Nuns get raped, and I've never heard anyone describe a habit as sexy. The elderly get raped, too. No one's ever been turned on by liver spots and wrinkles.

I'm with Pia on this one. Power has to play a huge part in this. So sad :(

[Big Booger]

Well I am just saying, pervs that grope do it for sexual gratification.. they are horny and grabbing some ass cheeks or other parts gets them off... it may be power.. it may be provocation. I'd say it is power mostly. But like I said, you wave a steak in a starving dog's face, he's gonna bite.

Most of Japanese gropers are men in the middle ages who are total losers... they are scumbags and prey on girls with short skirts. It's sick and demented..

[rik]

Most of Japanese gropers are men in the middle ages who are total losers...


I thought you were only in your twenties?

;)

[lynchknot]

But if god called me up and said to me, son, if i made every girl cover up so you couldn't get tempted by the fruits of the world, but it would help deter perverts, i would, without a shadow of a doubt, agree with the decision. - the Taliban made women cover up for the same reasons. Women are still being raped.

Make every women cover up? Wow, that is seriously invading their freedom. Don't let a few "monsters" make all men monsters - most are men and have self control. Punish the abusers, not the innocent.

Deter perverts? Maybe delete their libido or desire for power - somehow. (a clockwork orange 2005?)

[piaqt]

@ L/K: Somehow? See my reference to flamethrowers. That's how. ;)

[GimieGimieGimie]

- the Taliban made women cover up for the same reasons. Women are still being raped.

Make every women cover up? Wow, that is seriously invading their freedom. Don't let a few "monsters" make all men monsters - most are men and have self control. Punish the abusers, not the innocent.

Deter perverts? Maybe delete their libido or desire for power - somehow. (a clockwork orange 2005?)

This so called "Freedom" is invaded when these women are touched and perverted over every day in guy’s minds and real life.

Freedom comes at a price brother, freedom comes at a price, and women are paying for their so called "freedom".

The monsters must pay, but nothing changes, sexual attack is still at an all time high and probably always will be till the end of time unless everyone including the victims admit their part of the responsibility and do "their" bit to help stop this mayhem.

Argue all you want Lynchy, trust me i understand/see your point, but trust me and BB when we say, we have it right when we say that if you wave a raw steak in front of a dog, he will go for it.

Why are you arguing with me anyway?

You argue with me like i'm delusional or i'm a right wing activist that gets paid too much money to not think things through and i am just shouting out all kinds of wrong information.

Now don't take this as a personal attack, but simply as an observation, but it appears to me through your words, that you appear scared, it appears your mind is scared of accepting the fact of the possibility that maybe, just maybe women play a big part in "assististing" their attackers on and day to day basis, by revealing skin when not appropiate, just for the sake of freedom/choice.

Take today as an example, There was this girl, about 16 i would say, on the train today, in London, the temperture is absolutely FREEZING!

And she was wearing some ultra thin see through white tights and a skirt, i couldn't stop staring, i would of done her right there and then matey, now without mental restrait, i could easierly be one of those same perverts that plague the trains of Japan.

And I'm sorry, but when i see someone wearing a skirt in freezing cold weather like this, they have to have some (forgive the term) sluttish tendencies and in a lot of way, promoting sex on legs, i just don't see how tights can make up for the warmth of a decent pair of non revealing trousers, forgive me if i'm wrong, so if any ladies want to correct me on this, do so.

I don't like the way the world is myself Lynch, but the truth is the truth and there is only one true truth in this world, and that truth is as cold and painful as you could possible imagine, and we are ALL trying to get to this truth, yourself including, now having an ex who was raped, i believe i'm a little bit more clued up on this subject then most, i am simply trying to tell you how it is.

And it takes a big man to turn around and actually admit that he's loved one, (i still love her), helped play a big part in her own demise/attack, the same demise that will haunt me and her, forever.

Covering up won't stop rape Lynchy, but trust me, there's no doubt about it, removing the "visual stimulation" (which has been proven by the way to be men's most powerful sence) part of things, would help the situation A LOT in so many ways, and i'll stick my neck on the line for this one.

[lynchknot]

[I mean no offense in my posts - please do not consider as such]

Can I not express my views, or state facts, without you thinking i'm discounting you? You stated your beliefs, is it not ok that I help you understand the facts?
You argue with me like i'm delusional - no, just ill informed. I am sorry you feel that way. The myth is delusional. I am stating facts, not arguing. BTW, you stated: "This is FACT, and i would love to see someone argue otherwise"

Now don't take this as a personal attack, but simply as an observation, but it appears to me through your words, that you appear scared, it appears your mind is scared of accepting the fact of the possibility that maybe, just maybe women play a big part in "assististing" their attackers on and day to day basis, by revealing skin when not appropiate, just for the sake of freedom/choice. - it appears you cannot accept the fact that these men are responsible - completely. The rapist will rape, clothes or no clothes. Covering up will not stop the rapist - he will tear off the clothes. The rapist will see opportunity, not the flesh, that will trigger the response.

Argue all you want Lynchy, trust me i understand/see your point, but trust me and BB when we say, we have it right when we say that if you wave a raw steak in front of a dog, he will go for it. - Yes, you have it right when you say, "if you wave a raw steak in front of a dog, he will go for it". I am not a dog and women are not a "piece of meat". That mentality will get many in trouble - to say the least. That kind of thinking are what date rapers use to justify their actions.
There is no justification in violating another human being no matter what. Should I be held partly responsible if I go to the cash machine and pull money out publically and get robbed? The robber will say, "well he had money out so I had to rob him, it's not my fault". I am not a victim of my primitive drives. I have the capacity to reason and understand why I have urges (none of them are rape related) A piece of meat is not enough - I appreciate ones intellegence and sense of humor as well as appearance. so are you saying, giving the right circumstances, that you will rape? As the dog ate the steak?

we are ALL trying to get to this truth, yourself including, now having an ex who was raped, i believe i'm a little bit more clued up on this subject then most, i am simply trying to tell you how it is. -Trying to get to the truth? Rape is not some new crime - the truth is already known.
My sister was, is not good enough? A little more clued? I'm 44 years old - you're going to tell me "how it is"? All you are telling me is how it is in the mind of a rapist - to justify and pass blame onto others. I really hope you have reservations about your beliefs - i'm sorry but believing in this speaks volumes.

The truth: http://www.survivingtothriving.org/factsandmyths

Other myths exist to maintain the present inequality between men and women. As an illustration, the myth that women who wear revealing clothing are raped allows people to believe that wearing revealing clothing provokes men to rape; therefore, women should dress in order to prevent such provocation, which limits women and their choices. Rape myths, unfortunately, are prevelant in our society and they are untrue. Anyone can be raped and no one is free from sexual violence.

Myth: Victims are partially responsible for a rape if they wear "revealing" or "suggestive" clothing.
Fact: Victims are never to blame for someone else's unwanted actions against them for any other crimes. RAPE IS NO DIFFERENT. - http://www.coloradocollege.edu/Students/SHARE/

No one deserves to be raped. Being in a man's room or wearing revealing clothing does not mean a woman has agreed to have sex. - http://www.smartersex.org/date_rape/facts_myths.asp

Men using the excuse of "she was wearing revealing clothing" is a poor excuse - a cop out. It's downright insulting to men AND women that one would believe in it's validitiy

Once aroused, men can’t control their
behavior.
It is insulting to men to claim that they are
helpless to control their actions; the implication of
this thinking is that every male, given the right
situation, could and would commit sexual
assault. While it is true that the majority of
assaults are committed by males, it is not true
that the majority of males are sexually violent -


Victims bring it on themselves by the way they act or dress.
Sometimes forced sex is justified.
Some people deserve to be raped.

These beliefs build on the idea that men cannot control themselves
and put the blame with the victim. It is believed that if only the victim
had yelled or run away or hadn’t been drinking, or an inmate, or
wearing a revealing outfit, or a lesbian, or a prostitute, or gone to his
room, or accepted the offer for a ride home, or gone out after dark, or
flirted with him, etc., then this never would have happened. The
victim is attributed with the power to make others commit crimes. The
perpetrator is, again, not held accountable for his or her actions, and
is almost considered a “victim of circumstance - http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:LYxLaSOrO8QJ:www.wcasa.org/what/myth.pdf+rape+myths+wearing+revealing+clothes&hl=en&start=29&client=firefox

And it takes a big man to turn around and actually admit that he's loved one, (i still love her), helped play a big part in her own demise/attack, the same demise that will haunt me and her, forever.It takes a bigger man to accept resposibility for his own actions. You had nothing to do with that rape - neither did she. He need to accept full responsibility and you should stop making excuses for him and stop blaming yourself for another's sick behavior.

Are you going to make your (present/next) girlfriend wear a gurka at the beach? That relationship will end quicker than it started.

[piaqt]

Ok, here's the short version. Behavior is NEVER about the other. It is ALWAYS about the self.

Yes, there are external triggers. But the response to a trigger is up to the individual.

[rik]

Yes, there are external triggers. But the response to a trigger is up to the individual.


I'm finally gonna say a little and get out. I completely agree with pia on this...Unlike what seems to be popular in this day and age, I believe that "Every Man is responsible for his own actions. That is part of being a Man."

[lynchknot]

Why are some of you agreeing only with her? Do you like the short version better?

[cash_site]

I think the main consensus is the rape is not a black&white but grey not in terms of the actual rape (cos you either have or not have) but more the reasons why it occured... there is not one single answer to the question "why does Rape exist?!"

In the extremes, there are nice/good/law-abiding people who wouldnt even have a single thought about raping, on other end are the crazy/bad/power-seeking people who think about it all the time - no matter if the girl is younger/old/naked/gurka !!

Where the trouble is and seems where the main discussion/debate lies in this thread is the middle ground... but even this could be split down further... on one end have people who lust over girls (purely imaginative - like pr0n or just thinking it would be nice BUT not to think about raping them)... then there are some who are thinking of raping but need something to tip them to do it... Now this is where clothing comes to play... girls showing/acting will trigger a response, so covering up will mitigate that result...

So I think we all agree, since we are nice people, just need more clarification on our standpoints.

Also, there is no doubt that more punishment needs to be made to convicted rapists... perhaps taking the enthusiasm like the football fan with no-balls?? surely the fact that 1 in 10 women worldwide have 'clap' should deter some right? :eek:

[lynchknot]

still missing the point - clothing, or lack of, has absolutely nothing to do with it. It's all in the mind of the rapist and his actions. There is no grey area or middle ground. Once you commit, you have violated another's domain. Please think past the clothing issue and try to understand all the false justification. No one has any right/cause whatsoever to rape another human being no matter what. I don't care if she's completely naked - unless she consents, it's rape. No means no. Clothes are not the message.

People who rape have total disregard for another. There is no respect. It's not about lust, it's about incapacity to value human life and to see another as equal. It's a power trip.


There is no middle ground for killers. I have thought about it and i'll tell you I have had good reason to "trigger it" the thought - but i'm not a killer (unless my own life or another's is in serious danger of being extinguished). Thinking and actually doing - there really is no fine line.

It's ok, you can belive what you want. I personally hold every rapist fully accountable for their actions without blaiming the victim.

[Big Booger]

There is a large difference between groping and rape..

ex crimes have risen dramatically in Japan -- with rape cases jumping 40% between 1997 and 2001. Groping and obscenity charges rose 300% between 1991 and 2001. Still, the deck remains heavily stacked against women, with the media often blaming victims who wore provocative clothing.

I agree with a large part of what is written in this thread. Lynch I can tell you've been doing some googling. :D Nice work.

I think cash summed it up rather well.

That said, I won't attempt to make a moron of myself and say that clothing is the SOLE reason women are groped.... you'd have to be a baffoon... but it is a FACTOR.


And the only people who can speak for rapists and gropers are well, rapists and gropers... and I am neither so I will admit that what I state is more or less opinion than fact.

Lets say yeah, the victim is never to be blamed.

But just think about:
A person who left their keys in the car while it is running, and a robber takes off with it.. sure they are not to blame for the crime itself... but had they removed the keys from the ignition, locked the car, and had a security system, the PROBABILITY of having the car stolen would more than likely have been reduced or nil.

There are countless instances of morons who do things that get them into trouble.. sure they are not to blame for what happened. I think though, that their actions increased the likelihood of being robbed..

That said, if a robber wants your stuff badly enough, they will take it.. because it is about self-satisfaction and power.

[piaqt]

I completely agree with pia on this
Once again, genius at work. ;)

[lynchknot]

I can agree with keys in car but should society lock up the women, make them wear chastity belts and hide their flesh because someone might be tempted to steal (rape/grope) them? I still believe the sole reason for groping/raping is a sick mind that thinks it's ok to do so (or does not care or consider another's feelings) and justifies it by using the clothing issue.

[rik]

Once again, genius at work. ;)


Naturally...

and LK, I agree with you in the last statement as well. We are responsible for our own actions. Good or Bad.

[piaqt]

Naturally...

and LK, I agree with you in the last statement as well. We are responsible for our own actions. Good or Bad.
Supernaturally....http://www.emotipad.com/emoticons/Abduct.gif

LK: Absolutely. Anyone who disagrees with you on that is in dire need of enlightenment. Preferably by my, with a baseball bat. ;)

And on that last note,
Women Who Avoid Marital Fights May Be More Likely To Die (http://www.wnbc.com/family/4207636/detail.html?treets=ny&tid=2653888726813&tml=ny_family&tmi=ny_family_1_02300202172005&ts=H)
So I guess this means I'll be around forever!

[lynchknot]

I can shut up now - http://img64.exs.cx/img64/6707/insane7py.gif

[GimieGimieGimie]

We could argue/debate forever on this subject, Lychnot, we just have a difference of opinion where no one can prove the other incorret, there is only one truth, in this case, both our truths conflict, so i'm just dropping it :D

So, without wasting any more of my life on this thread, Ill sum all what i've had/have to say about this topic, that i've been saying all along, with this one sentence:

In the case of grouping (which this thread was originally all about), i am 100% certain that types of clothing, and lack of clothing (showing of naked flesh) does greatly contribute to the action of grouping in a large percent.

But what i did not say, was that lack of clothing, or type of clothing was the "sole" reason that people attempt sexual attacks of any nature, if anyone actually assumed i was saying this, they are self centred morons.

That's my last post for this subject, Thank you :D

[cash_site]

thanks BB, and great analogy with car... solely for the sake of further discussion with LK... I can agree with keys in car but should society lock up the women, make them wear chastity belts and hide their flesh because someone might be tempted to steal (rape/grope) them? This is almost yes, society has forced car manufacturers to include locks, alarm systems & immobilisers... do we have to use them No... but the likely hood of it being stolen is greatly increased, will it stop a Crazy person, No. So... Women dont have to cover up, but society has made nice clothes and some common sense (ie dont walk down dark alley)... this will stop a majority of problems but it wont stop the Crazy man.

That's the fine line and middle ground...

[piaqt]

I can shut up now - http://img64.exs.cx/img64/6707/insane7py.gif
Damn I'm good. ;)

[lynchknot]

Ok one more for the road

We could argue/debate forever on this subject, Lychnot, we just have a difference of opinionYou have an opinion based on what you think, I was stating fact not just my opinion - backed up by numerous links from those who address the issues on a professional level.

we cool gimie - :cool:

[GimieGimieGimie]

:rolleyes:

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