I smell smoke

[lynchknot]

re: this post: http://www.techzonez.com/forums/showthread.php?p=87843#post87843

Something wrong with that kb - now I plug this old IBM kb and I smell smoke (or burning electronic "plastic" smell - but it's working

*edit - no, it's from my computer. I don't see anythig unusual in MBM though but I do smell electronic burning smell.

http://img217.exs.cx/img217/44/temp1xf.png (http://www.imageshack.us)
http://img113.exs.cx/img113/5859/mastr5ar.th.jpg (http://img113.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img113&image=mastr5ar.jpg)
http://img113.exs.cx/img113/7989/slave8bd.th.jpg (http://img113.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img113&image=slave8bd.jpg)

maybe my caps are leaking. It's a biostar board - maybe it's one of the leakers.

[lynchknot]

for the 18 that viewed with no comment. Thanks.

I need to shut this down because it's smelling up the house.

[FastGame]

for the 18 that viewed with no comment. Thanks.
I'm the 17th and you were here at least once so thats 15 not including you ;)

Guess I'm too late cuz I would have told you to turn it off before it stinks the house up, or burned it down.

[cash_site]

Sorry just saw thread now :p
What do you mean nothing is wrong, which sensor is reading 123oF :eek:

[rik]

uh huh

[efc]

Hey Lynch,

You can now say, without any qualification, that you have one hot machine.:D

One suggestion that no one else has given, I would make sure that your homeowner's insurance policy is paid up. :p

[cash_site]

One suggestion that no one else has given, I would make sure that your homeowner's insurance policy is paid up. :p
or you could leave your mother-in-law in the room ;)

j/k

[egghead]

i wouldn't use the keyboard if it is roasting your chips.

motherboard is useless with a dead keyboard connector...

well you could go usb i guess.

if it is an old ibmkeyboard you should find a switch underneath for xt-at or something.\

[PIPER]

or you could leave your mother-in-law in the room ;)

j/k

lmao....or tie her to the puter....wah ha ha :eek:

[Curio]

123 degrees woohoo now that is overcooking. Is that why it points to the RED bit - indicating an error condition?

[lynchknot]

sorry for my "outburst" - I felt like a man on fire with a room full of spectators. I had to keep PC on (at least until it started to smoke - which it is not but smellls like it) I've got a minute on this other computer (not mine) so i'm posting this.
I started it this morning and it will log in. When apps start I get a dll error saying that windows is shutting down - not enough time to get to event viewer. I still smell a strong electronic overheating smell but cannot find the source. All capacitors look fine.
As far as temperature goes, it's not really that hot (I mean not enough to shut down computer: 123 degree Fahrenheit = 50.5555556 degree Celsius

And the keyboard? I have no clue. The old IBM keyboard works fine. Perhaps my power supply sent too much voltage to the keyboard?

[lynchknot]

I was, just now, using PE with no problems....I was about to post, until I noticed that the network connection failed. I look over to the motherboard and the fan was not spinning! The (thermaltake) fan speed control does not function as well...or maybe voltage for only one speed - slow. Do you think the power supply is failing or something else? Thanks

I have an infared thermometer - pointing to the fan read well over 200F. Here's a pic of it earlier (though it's not really reading the cpu temp * edit -yep, it's the temp of the fan seizing)

http://img100.exs.cx/img100/8371/mvc001s5cz.th.jpg (http://img100.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img100&image=mvc001s5cz.jpg)

edit - ok back on using PE. I swapped fans and it seems to work, although there is no speed control and it's spinning slow at 3125rpm, it's at 44 celcius (typical for my pc would be 40). I'm still thinking the power supply because of the keyboard problem - maybe it fried the speed control (however that works) I'm going to go back to windows xp to check......

*edit - wonderfull - if it's not one thing, then it's another - can't go to windows now

NTDLR is MISSING press Control Alt Delete
*edit - hehe, opps! I selected HDD1 instead of HDD0 for boot.

so I log into windows - apps are loading - suddenly windows informs me that it's logging off. It is now stuck on "saving your settings"
BTW, the problem was the fan. I plugged it into a case fan plug and it spins very slowly then stops - still, maybe power supply broke it. Trying "last known good"...........

*edit - that worked. I'm getting overvoltage warnings from winbond - appears to be voltage spikes. Notice it's in the -12 volt range at -13.01

http://img215.exs.cx/img215/8930/v1ln.jpg

http://img135.exs.cx/img135/8180/volt2km.th.jpg (http://img135.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img135&image=volt2km.jpg)

and the there's this:

http://img142.exs.cx/img142/2372/15wz.th.jpg (http://img142.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img142&image=15wz.jpg)http://img142.exs.cx/img142/5599/26tu.th.jpg (http://img142.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img142&image=26tu.jpg)

[FastGame]

Remember when BB's power supply burned up and stunk his place up ?

Did you try another PS ?

[Big Booger]

Remember when BB's power supply burned up and stunk his place up ?

Did you try another PS ?
I just tried to search for that thread.. I couldn't find it.. yeah my PSU was causing weird behavior right before it smelled funny... then I kept it running and it made a popping noise... and that was all she wrote...

[lynchknot]

Did the fluctuations in voltage break my keyboard and cpu fan? BTW, my PS did not smell - it was not even hot - it was my cpu as the fan was quitting. Please give me a good idea on a cheap yet good watts and amps? Thanks

[cash_site]

the smell could have been the thermal grease heating up as your fan stopped... I think they have a thermal limit... it might be a good idea to remove and clean HSF and CPU... put some new grease (artic silver) and get a new Fan ;)

[lynchknot]

Thanks cash. My first order of business is to get a new PS - if that is what is wrong with it.

[Nate89]

well if u dont know yet what is wrong with it see if u can find a spare layin around or borrow one from a friend or something...no usespendin money on a new one if it isnt broken

[lynchknot]

Well, there are voltage spikes (-12 volt range at -13.01) so I get an alert. That can't be good. I'n not sure what acceptable range for -12 is but over one volt does not seem right for computers. Other than that my computer works fine now. (as long as cpu fan spins at speed.)

[Nate89]

lynch how much do u want to spend on a psu?....a friend of mine bought a new pc that i configured for him and hes runnin...athlon 64 3000 on the asus sli deluxe board thermaltake case with 7 fans total 160 gb sata hd and a 6800gt all on this psu (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1028627&CatId=1079)
and the rails are all perfectly stable not one of them rise/goes below what they are rated at...ive never seen them rise/fall .1 volts

[lynchknot]

at...ive never seen them rise/fall .1 volts
I've never seen it either until this.- oh wait .1volts? heh good but a little expensive but a good price right now

[Nate89]

ya .1 not 1 volt but .1 ehich imho is really good since hes runnin all that other sh** in his computer....if u get that it should u last u a while since ur only runnin an athlon 2000xp i like the way u only need to plug in as many cables as u need

[lynchknot]

I guess i'll order that. It's not too noisy is it?

Made a $100 with ad clicks so why not. No rebates either but i've seen them for a lot more elsewhere

[Nate89]

nope not noisy at all and its only 80 after shipping...well thats what it was for me anyway...how did u make money with ad clicking?

[lynchknot]

yes: http://services.google.com/marketing/links/US-HA-CMBNINE2/?sourceid=ASO&subid=US-HA-Froogle

[Nate89]

so its because u have those ads on ur website then?

[lynchknot]

https://www.google.com/adsense/?sourceid=ASO&subid=US-HA-CMBNINE2/as

[lynchknot]

Damn thing was on truck yesterday and was supposed to be delivered. It's been sitting here in this city since the 11th and still has not arrived

[lynchknot]

time to get this party started

http://img105.exs.cx/img105/5135/pwr12xc.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

too bad it won't see any sunlight

http://img105.exs.cx/img105/8928/23wo.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

[cash_site]

too bad for you or for the PSU... i wouldnt want to see the horrid green 24/7 :eek:

Looks strong though with plenty of fans and connectors. good luck with it.

[lynchknot]

uhm. help? It says to plug the P4-pin power cable into the front panel then plug into the motherboard. I don't remember this plug ever plugged into the motherboard. It's a square plug, that I think I remember, just dangling.

[cash_site]

I'm sure you will have some spare cables leftover, since it is new it will have the 4-pin P4 plug... were you running AMD? anyway, if your MB doesnt have or support that plug dont worry about it.

[lynchknot]

yes, AMD xp2000 biostar board

[cash_site]

yes, AMD xp2000 biostar board
yeah, im pretty sure they didnt have a P4 power plug... just the 20 or 24 pin ATX power cable... does the new PSU also have SATA power cables for the new HDs?? and did it come with the new P4-775 20->24 pin convertor? sounds like a pretty decent PSU, was FG happy with it? :p

[lynchknot]

Yes, sata cables included - what is 6 pin Zeon?

I only see a 20 pin mother cable
was FG happy with it?I don't know, he doesn't live here.

[cash_site]

Not sure 6 pin zeon is... is it flat/black? thought it would be sata...??

no nothing, just thought FG might have seen it already (from your pics)...

[lynchknot]

Houston we have ignition! Now I just need to replace the "volcano" fan. I'm using a slow case fan for now.

http://img130.exs.cx/img130/1997/mvc006s2cl.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

http://img47.exs.cx/img47/3720/mvc009s3as.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

[cash_site]

Looks really good L/K, I love the piping around the PCU cables, looks great. LOL, i see the case fan... is it good enough to blow air on your Heatsink? good solution nonetheless :D

[lynchknot]

There's another case fan on the cover. The one you see is blowing out. I have a problem. The pwr supply fans are not spinning and the temp at 15 does not compute

http://img120.exs.cx/img120/3142/fan7lj.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

[cash_site]

Hmm... check the manual... i think these new PSU have heat and speed detection built in.. meaning, that if the temperature is low, then it will slowdown the fan, may even turn them off... double check though...

Also, some speed sensors dont actually send data through to windows, more an internal speed measurement for the PSU regulation.

[lynchknot]

I wonder why there are 2 temp 1's.

**edit - the other temp one is ACPI - what's that?

[rik]

Advanced Configuration & Power Interface

http://www.acpi.info/

[lynchknot]

I see that rik but why does it have a temp. Why doesn't the other computer have this?


WHy is this all that?

http://img227.exs.cx/img227/7716/this8qs.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

[rik]

uh...

[lynchknot]

uh...Well, typically we would be reading case (I don't think I have case sensor), cpu, and system. However temp one, at top, is out of range to make sense. What are the other temps - especially the one labeled ACPI (I know what the HD temps are)


http://i145.exs.cx/img145/4338/huh4yn.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

[Nate89]

so wait is the new psu fixin the hi temps problem u had....????

[lynchknot]

all the voltages are within range. The one temp and fan are not reporting correctly.

[Nate89]

just a guess here but maybe because u have a case fan on it could be y temp is a lil high and the fan isnt registering correctly????

[lynchknot]

Case fans are not monitored. The are run on aux.

[Nate89]

if u have the case fan that u have over ur cpu and u have it plugged into cpu then it will read

[lynchknot]

well, it's plugged into the motherboard but the other fan is not reading. I have no idea which reading belongs to which - but the HD's.
http://i145.exs.cx/img145/4338/huh4yn.jpg

[cash_site]

You might be able to check the motherboard manual... cos I think the winbond sensors are built into the mother board... one being right underneath the CPU and the other a system(case) sensor... ACPI sensor is perhaps a higher level (software) reading from one of the winbond sensors... I think the ACPI one might be similar to Temp2...

[lynchknot]

Fans will only read if they have three wires and plugged into motherboard? I have only one receptacle on MB for fan - the cpu fan is plugged into that. I guess the PS is not read at all.

Under Windows 98SE, Me, 2000 and XP support for Microsoft's Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) is provided. One feature of ACPI is the ability to cool the processor in software, by issuing HLT commands during periods of inactivity. As a consequence, the CPU may run at about 30 deg C during idle, but then rise to 45 deg C during load. When the temperature is viewed using the Hardware Monitor screen of the BIOS, Windows (and hence ACPI) is not running, and hence no software cooling is employed. so this is like the apps: CpUcool or CPU Idle?