what are good temps? [Archive]

Conan

April 9th, 2003, 03:27 AM

Originally posted by phishhead
the thread mike13 started regarding the fans got me wondering what is an acceptable temp for amd and intel cpus? currently mine are

cpu: 60/141
mobo: 38/102

is this hot, cool, avg.?

Your CPU looks to be running hot! What processor are your using?
For my P4 I get around 38-43 for CPU and 32-36 for the motherboard.

phishhead

April 9th, 2003, 03:38 AM

its the AMD 1.4 t-bird I know AMD's generally run hotter but whats acceptable.

lynchknot

April 9th, 2003, 03:38 AM

My P4 will hit a max of 120°

shadow_warez

April 9th, 2003, 04:18 AM

my notebook with the cooler i bought, it runs at 23 celcious, my new comp im slappin togther runs currently runs at 21 celecuis the mobo runs at 4-7 celsious the cpu is a mand 2800+ i will take pics asap, but im workign for a galery lol so give me a few days and you;ll she shadows new Machine this time Burn proof,

FastGame

April 9th, 2003, 04:20 AM

60c isn't too hot for that T-Bird...but it was running @ 48c at my house and 54c during the summer...did you take the HSF off ? if not maybe it got jiggled during shipping, I prolly shouldn't of left it installed.

60c is well in the safe range for 1.4 T-Bird but it looks as if things are in direct relation to you mobo temp which look on the high side also.. as long as I had that setup the CPU never went more than 18c above the mobo temp

Right now my room temp is 74 F and my mobo is 29c/84 F and the CPU is 39c/102 F.. AMD XP T-Bred runs cooler than the T-Bird so don't go by my CPU. As you can see my mobo is running about 10 F higher than room temp. My set up is in a Antec full server tower with 3 case fans, 1 blowing in & 2 at back of case blowing out. My Antec 480watt PS has two fans & 1 fan on my NorthBridge chip.

If you have one of those PCI slot fans maybe it's sucking all the cool air across the bottom of case ?

Big Booger

April 9th, 2003, 04:32 AM

Might want to try some new arctic silver 3 thermal grease? Make sure the fins on the heatsink are free and clear. Check you air flow, make sure intake is going in and exhaust is going out? Check your wiring, make sure you got it right.

Last thing,
What are you using to check the temps? Motherboard monitor or some proprietary solution? Radar gun?
:D

lynchknot

April 9th, 2003, 04:34 AM

Originally posted by shadow_warez
my notebook with the cooler i bought, it runs at 23 celcious, my new comp im slappin togther runs currently runs at 21 celecuis the mobo runs at 4-7 celsious the cpu is a mand 2800+ i will take pics asap, but im workign for a galery lol so give me a few days and you;ll she shadows new Machine this time Burn proof,

shadow, you got your PC outside? Thats colder than my room temperature! 21 degree Celsius = 69.8 degree Fahrenheit

FastGame

April 9th, 2003, 04:45 AM

Originally posted by lynchknot
shadow, you got your PC outside? Thats colder than my room temperature! 21 degree Celsius = 69.8 degree Fahrenheit
He always has his PC outside...right next to the garbage can & burial pit....ooops sorry bad joke :p ya know I luv ya Shadow was J/K please forgive :angel:

phishhead

April 9th, 2003, 04:46 AM

disconnected pci fan, now using round ide cables, tucked the cables away from intake fan and still getting cpu 60 and mobo went down a degree 37. think might have to cut a hole in the case for another intake blowing right on the mobo.

lynchknot

April 9th, 2003, 04:50 AM

maybe I should cap my room vent and run a 3" hose to the side of my PC - crank the AC! or I can just live in a shed like Shadow with a portable space heater to keep my feet warm - anything to keep me pc happy.

Lol sorry Shadow - :p

FastGame

April 9th, 2003, 04:51 AM

How hot is the room the PC is in ? what are your temps with the side cover off ?

BTW don't get too worried...just think how hot one of those suckers ran in a prebuilt with only the CPU fan & PS fan..lol

Conan

April 9th, 2003, 05:35 AM

Originally posted by phishhead
think might have to cut a hole in the case for another intake blowing right on the mobo.

That's what I did with my old case too, before I upgraded to a Lian Li.

shadow_warez

April 9th, 2003, 05:56 AM

lol well its near the window and i have no exhaust fans, all my fans are intake so the is blowing to the proccesser, and i got a drive bay cooler, it came with the ehxaust blowing out, so i took my toolkit to it and reversed it so the 2 92 mm are blowing towards the cpu, and iv spent 3 hours making sure every wire is hiding, and not wires are in any way of the fans, notebook i put artic silver 3 on its cpu, and heatsink,

phishhead

April 9th, 2003, 14:42 PM

with the case open it only dropped the cpu about 5 degrees...so I think I might get a zalman heatsink and fan then cut a hole in the case and get a huge fan for to blow right on the mobo.

zErO

April 9th, 2003, 15:55 PM

SYSTEM TEMP: 86 f
CPU TEMP: 105 f

phish your cpu temp is seriously high, I have my mobo configured to shut down at 131f.
The hotest my system gets while gaming would be about 118 f
get a Zelman for sure and some arctic, give the rounded cables a go or just convert your current ones with some tape to help airflow

phishhead

April 9th, 2003, 16:30 PM

after some research on the net for the AMD's the avg temp for the t-birds are 55c and up to 65c...the actual die temp is 90c. found a real good site here (http://www.overclockers.com/) for some good tips on case and cpu cooling. but I use to work at a photoshop and came across 2 120mm fans so I might throw both of those on the side of the case for the cpu and vid. and if that doesn't cool it then hell with it. It will have to run just alittle warmer than the rest.

FastGame

April 9th, 2003, 18:00 PM

The focus should be on your system temp of 38/102 and not the 60/141 of the CPU, you drop that sys temp & the CPU goes with it.

Unless people here are posting with temps of AMD T-Birds the temps they post have nothing to do what so ever with your CPU temp other than showing the contrast between AMD and Intel.

But there is one thing here that they post that does have a relationship with the temps you post and that is system temp. You need to ask yourself why is my sys temp higher than everyone else ? the fact that removing the side cover results in a 5 deg. drop in temp should tell you something. The air flow in my system has been tweaked so well that if I remove my side cover the temp goes up !

We all should try and run as cool as we can but your CPU is not running to hot at that system temp you have. Drop the system temp & the CPU will fall in line.

What is the temp in the room comp is in ?

What are you reading temp with ? Bios ? ASUS probe ? or something else ?

It was my hope that you would enjoy that board & CPU, it wasnt my intention to have you toss & turn in your sleep from worries about if you have enough fire insurance on the house or whether you should warn China that a melt down is coming their way... :p

[edit]= BTW while your in the worry mode..hehe J/K, when you get that 7200 80gig HD things get a lil hotter...lol

phishhead

April 9th, 2003, 18:14 PM

ok FG I'm using the asus probe...haven't confirmed the temp with the bios..dont know what the room temp is but definately not warm. I have a 80 mm fan in the front for intake a 60mm fan for exhaust in the back. disconnected the pci exhaust fan. If I had 2 80mm sid fans 1 blowing on the cpu and the other blowing on the gpu should help the system temp...also thinking of cutting some grills on top to release hot air. and FG just want to make sure to take care of your baby thats all.:p

phishhead

April 9th, 2003, 18:25 PM

This is my case (http://www.pcclub.com/product_detail.cfm?itemno=A1358059#) now if you look on the top below the handle looks like a grill but in fact its just for show so I was planning taking the plastic top off and cutting a square out so that it will be open for hot air to go thru. or even adding an exhaust fan there too. Then mounting some tie downs so the damn thing doesn't take off.:D

FastGame

April 9th, 2003, 18:45 PM

I don't know how much you can trust the ASUS probes, they seem to be diffrent from version to version, plus can't trust bios also...you can prove this by going back a bios version from what you have and the CPU will drop 8c like magic..lol

I guess if that ASUS probe & bios match up then you got to hope things are as they report.

Anyway thats your baby now...and it's good ta see you want to take care of it :D

[edit]= BTW don't waste your money on some Zalmon thing...would be better to get an XP T-Bred 1800@$70 or 2100@$80, your temp will drop way more than another HSF will do on that T-Bird.

Ya never know ;) when you might get an NF2 board ;) & them pups will OC to a XP 3000 at the ;) of an eye :eek:

Catch my drift......

Stripe

April 9th, 2003, 19:53 PM

Hey....all this talk about heat has me worried about my pc....

I only have an intake and an exhaust. nothing else.

What can I do to test the temp in my case? What are good operating temps? What should I be looking at?

When it comes to this, i'm a little in the dark....well, I'm in the dark most of time :)

FastGame

April 9th, 2003, 20:45 PM

Hit & hold Delete while your booting up and that should get you into your bios. Once there should be a tab for Hardware or System monitor that shows you volts and temps.

There's software (Motherboard Monitor & the likes) you can get that shows the same.

As far as whats good ? all depends on your system.

phishhead

April 10th, 2003, 00:32 AM

heres the update...just put in a 4.5 inch diameter fan in the side panel and my new temp is
cpu= 53/127
system= 32/89

getting better dropped about15-20 degrees. next I will cut the grill on top to see if that will help the hot air to escape. If that does not drop it down will put an exhaust up there too.

Big Booger

April 10th, 2003, 00:43 AM

I know for about 6 months I ran my machine without the case sides attached.. it ran good, seemed to work rather well, but the noise was unbearable :p

Conan

April 10th, 2003, 00:59 AM

Originally posted by phishhead
heres the update...just put in a 4.5 inch diameter fan in the side panel and my new temp is
cpu= 53/127
system= 32/89

getting better dropped about15-20 degrees. next I will cut the grill on top to see if that will help the hot air to escape. If that does not drop it down will put an exhaust up there too.

Great! They dropped by a lot!:D

phishhead

April 10th, 2003, 04:20 AM

hey BB if you decide to add windows and fans to your case I would recommend using sheet metal shears...they worked like a champ and also they have shears for straight and curved cuts. It was more precise then jigsaw. I tried it on a old case and it bends the metal all to hell and hard to control. Just a tip

Big Booger

April 10th, 2003, 04:53 AM

I am currently thinking of a dremmel tool. I think if I take it slow and steady the case won't bend.

I bought some paint and am going to paint it as soon as I get some time to do it. I would just buy a new case, but I like the DIY approach :p

I might start this project in a couple of weeks.

Here is the window I am going to get:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3411258941&category=3666

:p (am and avid ebayer)

Big Booger

April 10th, 2003, 23:46 PM

I bought that window. :D

It was too cheap to pass up so I purchased it. Still waiting for a response from the seller.

WIll install this whenever it gets here. Now I gotta go buy a dremmel tool, or some metal shears :D

phishhead

April 11th, 2003, 01:28 AM

ok got some arctic grease and cleaned off the cpu and heatsink and put a thin coat put the cpu back on booted it up left it on for about an hr and the new temps

cpu= 49/120
mobo 28/82

ok guys is that acceptable, or should I still add the 80mm in the top of the case.

phishhead

April 11th, 2003, 01:31 AM

and fastgame thinks I'm crazy but I think I might get a hardrive cooler(the ones that fit in the 5.25 drives) and maybe some memory heatsinks. I saw some at compusa for 10bucks. I think FG gave me the PC Itch, and I can't stop scratching.:p

Big Booger

April 11th, 2003, 01:37 AM

save up your nickels and dimes and get yourself a water cooling solution or a peltier :D

Then you'll hit the arctic conditions.

http://www.overclockers.com/tips326/

http://www.water-cooling.com/

FastGame

April 11th, 2003, 03:58 AM

Originally posted by phishhead
I think FG gave me the PC Itch, and I can't stop scratching.:p
LOL!

Now those new temps are looking good phish :thumbup:

Keep a scratching...just make sure you take care of the wife & kids first....I'd hate ta be known as a Hardware Home Wrecker :rolleyes:

phishhead

April 11th, 2003, 04:50 AM

I think I gonna still cut the top out this weekend...get that thing really cool. maybe start overclocking that baby. I was checking the net and peeps with the same board and cpu got that thing upto 1600mhz, so I was gonna jump it to 1450 and see how stable it is.:D

phishhead

April 11th, 2003, 04:51 AM

oh yeah and they were oc by just upping the fsb and the cpu voltage. since the multiplier is fixed.

FastGame

April 11th, 2003, 05:20 AM

I wouldn't cut a hole in the top unless your going to put a fan in it. You might be better off putting a stronger fan in the power supply, some PS come with wimpy fans.

I was running that board @147fsb and never had to up the V-core volts. You need to be careful cuz the AGP & PCI divider are locked also, if you go to high your going to get HD corruption from the PCI buss running fast :(

If you want to know what you can do with your itch..hehe..Go Here (http://www.amdforums.com/)

Man-o-Man two weeks ago you were happy chugging a *386* (?was it?) now your scratching for an NF2 & water cooling...lol

phishhead

April 11th, 2003, 06:06 AM

ok FG upped the fsb to 143 didnt want to go to crazy...reading at now at 1506:p 10-15 degrees cooler and 100mhz faster. not a bad day:p

zipp51

April 11th, 2003, 06:31 AM

I've got 2 xp 2100+.One on an Abit KG7 Raid mobo w/512 pc2100 and Radeon 7200 running a Volcano 9 variable speed fan(noisy as hell at 5900rpm).The other is a Epox 8K7A+ raid w/512 pc2100 and GeForce 4 440mx running a Volcano 6cu(7000+rpm's).Both cases are identical enlight 7237 with extra exit fans.The only other difference besides the mobo's are that the Epox has an Antec 300w psu,and the Abit is stock 300w(AMD approv).Heres the temps using MBM 5.3 on both.Abit idle 37c after 1/2 hr. play with Max Payne,44c.Epox idle 32c after 1/2 hr. play with Max Payne,37c.Both on board health monitors in bios report same temps.Is the difference in the fan or the cpu itself?Could the vid card be a strain on the cpu?The Abit has an ATA66 HDD and the Epox has an ATA100 HDD,could the slight bottleneck tax the cpu?Both chassis run 22c to 26c.Just odd for that big a difference I think.:biggrin: