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Big Booger
June 28th, 2003, 09:59 AM
It is a Silvia S14 turbo with intercooler. I got it for about $2000. It is a 2001 model with 50K. Has a few knicks here and there, but overall it is a dependable looking ride. Jet black with allow rims, tiny rear spoiler, and a factory stereo system.

I'll be finalizing the deal at the end of this week. It was a new car or a new PC, and I decided on the car for now :D Wife went with me and worked out the details. We are paying cash so this month I am finished with my major purchasing.. there's always next month. :D


Have a look at the image I've attached.

zipp51
June 28th, 2003, 10:07 AM
Not sure what a Sylvia is but for $2000 for a 2001 anything with 50k is a steal.:D

Conan
June 28th, 2003, 10:10 AM
Are you sure about the year model? 2001 should be S-15. Also the headlights on that car are pre-97 year model. They should be projector lamps for the dim bulbs. Welcome to the world of Turbo's if you are pushing through with the deal.

http://www.fizzautosports.com/images/lighting/headlamps/hlamp_sylviaS-14_B.jpg

Big Booger
June 28th, 2003, 10:13 AM
the image I posted was one I nabbed from the net. :D I'll get a better one of the actual car later. :D

the lights kind of look like this one,
http://us1.webpublications.com.au/static/images/articles/i11/1175_2mg.jpg

but the year could be wrong as Japanese use their own year counter..
for example, I was born in Showa 53, and now it is Hesei 15..
so, it could be older. but I am sure the light style you posted is the one that is on the car conan. The car looks beautiful. And the price was rock bottom, all thanks the crappy economy of Japan :D hehehehe

Conan
June 28th, 2003, 10:16 AM
Originally posted by Big Booger
the image I posted was one I nabbed from the net. :D I'll get a better one of the actual car later. :D

the lights kind of look like this one,
http://us1.webpublications.com.au/static/images/articles/i11/1175_2mg.jpg

It's an S-15 then. Automatic or manual? 250 HP bone stock! You'll be pretty happy with the performance.:thumbup:

Big Booger
June 28th, 2003, 10:24 AM
I believe it is a manual. The damn dealer guy wouldn't let me drive it.. I was pissed.

And in japan when you want to buy a car, it takes forever. You have to go get stamps for everything. They have to know you own a parking space.. you have to have insurance, a car inspection, tax, and a thing called a shakken, shakken is where they repair the vehicle and charge you out the buttocks..

The car was for sale at 100000 Yen, by the time I had finished it was 280000 yen.. I guess they add that extra crap here and there to do it.

I am pretty sure it is an S14, but it could be S15. I'll get my wife to get the exact details. All of this is done in Japanese, so I don't know shit, and my wife translates it.. and well, some meaning gets lost in the middle :D

I am just the payee. I will most likely be upgrading a few components later on. It was just too good of a deal to pass on.
:D

Conan
June 28th, 2003, 10:32 AM
It became the S15 in 1999. Have a look here, everything you need to know about Silvia's:

http://www.emergent.com.au/200sx/

Big Booger
June 28th, 2003, 10:37 AM
I think I have narrowed it down. But the lights are farking with me cause I am sure they are the type you posted..

I think it is the S14a as it doesn't look like the regular S14 light :D COuld be S14 with S15 kit installed or something. I know it is turbo charged and has an intercooler. I made the dealer pop the hood and I checked that out.

Has 16 or 17 alloy rims that I know because I looked at it myself.

BUt the car didn't have the S14/15 monograms..
It just had the S that looked like a snake emblem on the grill and trunk deck :D

Conan
June 28th, 2003, 10:43 AM
Well, the S15 manual has a 6 speed transmission, the S14 is 5 speed. Just be careful driving it in the rain and then punching the turbo. Rear Wheel Drive Turbo + Rain = WHEELSPIN!:D

Big Booger
June 28th, 2003, 12:42 PM
I definitely consult you Conan when I go to upgrade some of the stock parts. :D

Thanks for the website, that helped out heaps.

cash_site
June 29th, 2003, 10:55 AM
Congrats BB on the purchase of a new car - especially in Japan. Where are you going to park it?? LOL, you got one of those new Vertical Garages ?? :D

Conan is right about the S15 from 99 onwards and S14 from around 93 - 99.

About the lights, it is a common upgrade for the S14 to put S15 lights. Big give away will the be the 6-speed manual ie S15.

These cars came standard with an Intercooler, but how big is the question. If it is huge in the front bumper, like in the Trust car pic conan showed, then its an upgraded or 'AfterMarket' version.

Being in Japan you have access to EVERY aftermarket company and their parts!! :D From turbos and intercoolers, to complete 1000 HP motors. Look for names like TRUST, APEXi, HKS, Top Secret... the list just goes on and on and...

A common 'sport' in Japan is drifting, sliding around corners, and the S15 is king for that, due to huge power and small size. I hope price wasnt rock bottom cos its an ex-racer.

If you were more of a petrol head, Im sure Conan and I could set out some basic upgrades to get you smoking those wheels in all gears LOL :biggrin:

If you treat it good, you could import it back to USA if you ever returned. It could be good enough for Fast&Furious 3 LOL

Post a pick of your car ASAP, would be great to see.

ps. the snake emblem is the Silvia/Skyline Trademark.

Big Booger
June 29th, 2003, 12:33 PM
I'll post the images as soon as I can. Cannot guarantee the quality :P

I'll definitely be asking about upgrading. I was already checking out some easily bolt on items, K&N filtration, larger intercooler, I am almost certain it was stock which is tiny :D

Will let you know on my progress. I have a parking spot, got to pay 50 bucks a month for it, which here is cheap, :D but I have to get proof for everything, proof that my ikan is real, (ikan is a rubber stamp that functions as your signature in Japan), got to get proof I have a parking spot from the police, proof that I have insurance, and proof of a drivers license.

I will be going tomorrow and trying to get as much of that done as I possibly can :D

Conan
June 29th, 2003, 14:04 PM
You're right with the bigger Intercooler and K&N air filter, however, once you install an aftermarket air filter, you have to install a "Heat Shield" to stop the hot air coming from the radiator fan from entering the intake which would result in loss of power and melted rubber filter parts (it happenned to me!). Also a 3 inch exhaust system all the way from the Turbo Down Pipe all the way to the end muffler will give you quite a power gain. I think we've covered the "Stage 1" basics!:msncool:

By the way here's a S15 Japanese Touring Car racer:

Big Booger
June 29th, 2003, 14:21 PM
I saw that heat shield. There were actually two types. One was a flat piece of aluminium that shields the filter from the radiator. The other was a box type.

As for the muffler, they look decent here. I am wondering if I should go single or dual pipes?

I'll be trying most of this on my own. Just to get the experience. If I screw it up, I can always take the car to the tuner down the street :D

Conan
June 29th, 2003, 14:25 PM
Originally posted by Big Booger
I saw that heat shield. There were actually two types. One was a flat piece of aluminium that shields the filter from the radiator. The other was a box type.

As for the muffler, they look decent here. I am wondering if I should go single or dual pipes?

I'll be trying most of this on my own. Just to get the experience. If I screw it up, I can always take the car to the tuner down the street :D

It's really your preference as long as the 3 inch diameter is maintained all through out the exhaust system. Have a look here at Tanabe, it's the brand i'm using (G Power Medallion).

http://www.rd-tanabe.com/english/exhaust/ex_sys.html

Big Booger
June 29th, 2003, 15:17 PM
Was your G medallion welded along the way or is it all fitted? If it's fitted I am sure I can do the exhaust mounting myself. I did it for my camaro, dual exhaust 3 inch from header back :D It took 2 days to accomplish but I did it. removing the OE system was the most difficult because it was rusted out, I had to hack most of the bolts off. Rust Penetrate wouldn't budge it, I broke 2 or 3 nutts trying to remove them :D

I might take it down and get an estimate done. In the states I would cruise down to autozone, pick up the part, and take it back home. Wait a few hours and then install. :D

I laid the exhaust out under the car then bolted part by part up till the end. The most difficult part about mounting it was the mufflers and fitting them into where the standard sized muffler was :D

I had a hard time, but I got it sorted. I think this should be about the same, maybe even easier.

Conan
June 29th, 2003, 19:30 PM
Originally posted by Big Booger
Was your G medallion welded along the way or is it all fitted? If it's fitted I am sure I can do the exhaust mounting myself. I did it for my camaro, dual exhaust 3 inch from header back :D It took 2 days to accomplish but I did it. removing the OE system was the most difficult because it was rusted out, I had to hack most of the bolts off. Rust Penetrate wouldn't budge it, I broke 2 or 3 nutts trying to remove them :D

I might take it down and get an estimate done. In the states I would cruise down to autozone, pick up the part, and take it back home. Wait a few hours and then install. :D

I laid the exhaust out under the car then bolted part by part up till the end. The most difficult part about mounting it was the mufflers and fitting them into where the standard sized muffler was :D

I had a hard time, but I got it sorted. I think this should be about the same, maybe even easier.

It is all "bolt on". Dont ever go for welded parts because that would mean that the airflow is impeded by the weld. It'll take more than one person to remove/attach the new exhaust system.

MSNwar
June 29th, 2003, 19:35 PM
That is a beautiful car BigBooger. I am not a car enthusiast but I just had to say that is one nice looking car. Congrats :D

Big Booger
June 30th, 2003, 01:08 AM
Thanks MSNwar. :D I hope to have it by next week or earlier.. Japanese and their paperwork :D


Conan,
I'll most likely get a friend to help, or maybe my neighbor. I might also get it done at my local Autobacs shop :D

Autobacs rules!

http://www.autobacs.com/

cash_site
July 1st, 2003, 04:14 AM
Yes Definitely, Stage 1 is AirFilter (ColdAir Intake) and Exhaust Upgrade.

You can put K&N RamPod sytle AirFilter. I would recommend a heat shield with this setup. But the problem is, you still will be breathing HOT air from underneath the Hood. To rectify this you need a cold air intake pipe. You should run a 3" Ducting Pipe from a hole in your front bumper pointing straight at the K&N Filter. The box idea is good too, allows a closed system from under the hood, but still need cold air pipe going to box.

The exhaust is next step - probably gives one of biggest HP jumps for the buck. If you can afford it, get new dump pipe (first bend from Turbo) back to end of car. With minimum diameter of 3". It will be LOUD!, but HP will skyrocket and allow other mods to perform better. The idea of bigger exhaust is to reduce back-pressure from the turbo/engine. Making the engine work harder to push gases out, so easy it is, the faster turbo works, spool (get on boost) quicker, engine will rev faster - not higher.

If on budget, then replace Cat converter with High-flow unit and get Cat-back exhaust. You can experiment with Tailpipes - Ive 5" ones - they really only change the note of exhaust - so doesnt sound BOOMMY while cruising - which gets annoying.

About the twin pipes, I think S14/15 came with twin little tailpipes. THis was only from last muffler back, not twin all the way from after cat. I would recommend one big exhaust, less hassle, and you can have it from the Turbo back.

ps They are 4cylinder 2 litre engines, not BIG V8 like camaro, so not common to have twin-header systems and exhausts.

Big Booger
July 1st, 2003, 04:37 AM
Thanks cash_site,
That information is just the type I am looking for. Being a V8 kind of guy going to a rice cooker is just like a going from riding a cheetah (big and fast) to hopping on a rat (small and fast). I guess it will take me some time to get used to it.

As for the twin pipes I think I'll just run a straight single pipe to the back. Been looking at different models. Some are expensive, some are average and some are just dirt cheap,
:D

FastGame
July 1st, 2003, 04:50 AM
LOL BB, hopping on a rat..hehe

I think we need to set up a race between Conan & cash_site :)

Does your rat have room in the back for me ?

Conan
July 1st, 2003, 05:05 AM
Quite a few V8's are put to shame by 2 liter Turbo's. I'm sure our friends from Australia, Supastar and cash_site will attest to this!:D

SupaStar
July 1st, 2003, 06:38 AM
A mate of mine has a 1.8 litre Audi A4 Turbo Quattro which used to (about a year or so) run a 1/4 mile in 13.20 @ 106Mph. 18psi of boost, easy gear changes.

His latest Dyno result gave approx 350HP on about 24 psi of boost. Haven't spoken to him lately but I'm positive his 1/4 mile times have improved...

I've seen him in action and believe me, he tears apart many a V8 :D

Big Booger
July 1st, 2003, 06:41 AM
What is the fastest car in the world that is street legal? I like the turbo cars because as long as the turbo is not kicked in you benefit from the good gas mileage of 2-2.5 litre engine :D

Whereas with a V8, you're definitely drained at the pump. But the sound of a V8 cannot be matched, IMHO especially with twin straight 3" pipes running out the back. I just love that rumble. :D

Big Booger
July 1st, 2003, 10:10 AM
http://www.autobacs.com/cgi-bin/inetcgi/scripts/spg_last_01.jsp?BV_SessionID=AAAA0820195166.1057053216AAAA&BV_EngineID=cccfadcijikfeffcefeceeedfgfdffg.0&syohin_cd=4944997313544&pr=next&cu=0&s=221211&p=1&t=0&o=0&lf=0

That will be most likely the muffler system I put on it. It is a Legalis Super R.

This is from the muffler description:
Main silencer - the small-sized shell type 160 phi. 117 phi tail pipes are the best match to adopt the dual structure of hollow type, which will help prevent color change and the deterioration from thermal burning, which guarantee the durability and superior quality. And, the hair - administering line processing only レガリススーパー R. Quality is the most important aspect.

The last lines I am sorry but I have no idea about the hair, and administering line processing :D

My question is what does PHI stand for?
the small-sized shell type 160 phi. 117 phi tail ???

I searched for a Trust System, but unfortunately they don't have one for the Silvia.

Any of you have any good sites with English that are based in Japan for aftermarket parts? I searched, but came up with only three,

http://www.hikariperformance.com
and
http://www.takakaira.com/ although I cannot get on that site :(
and the following site:

http://www.perfectrun.com.au

but they are pricey. :D I am looking for budget based parts but high quality.. discount, demo, discontinued.. something that is decent and will work on my car as soon as I get it.

Conan
July 1st, 2003, 10:34 AM
Originally posted by Big Booger
http://www.autobacs.com/cgi-bin/inetcgi/scripts/spg_last_01.jsp?BV_SessionID=AAAA0820195166.1057053216AAAA&BV_EngineID=cccfadcijikfeffcefeceeedfgfdffg.0&syohin_cd=4944997313544&pr=next&cu=0&s=221211&p=1&t=0&o=0&lf=0

That will be most likely the muffler system I put on it. It is a Legalis Super R.

I am looking for budget based parts but high quality.. discount, demo, discontinued.. something that is decent and will work on my car as soon as I get it.

Boogs, I could be mistaken but that looks like just the rear muffler. You have to change the whole she-bang from the "down-pipe or front-pipe" all the way to the rear like the exhaust systems in the Tanabe page that I posted.

Try looking at this site but unfortunately it's only in Japanese. It's the Sheepdog brand. The suspension I have is Sheepdog, and they also make exhaust systems.

http://www3.ocn.ne.jp/~sheepdog/menu.html

I just checked again at Tanabe, the down-pipe I am referring to is called Turbine Tube:

http://www.rd-tanabe.com/english/exhaust/t_t/t_tu.html

And this is a picture of the whole exhaust system:

http://www.rd-tanabe.com/english/exhaust/gpm/gpm.html

Big Booger
July 1st, 2003, 11:49 AM
I believe you are right conan. But the front pipe is only like $130-140

The down pipe (turbine tube) is almost the same. So total would be about $700-800 which is pricey :D but if I do the work myself it won't be so bad. :D The damn installation runs you a left nut, and part of your sack :D

I am guessing the down pipe connects to the header. :D

What I will initially do is this:

1) get a new filter (cold air) with heat plate/box.
2) add a new exhaust
3) new and bigger intercooler

Of course in between I will have all the maintenance items checked and changed as needed. Most likely new spark plugs, synthetic motor oil, valve cover gaskets, etc... Might have a new fuel filter/pump put in... etc..

Then I'll look into the next stage of development.
:D

Conan
July 1st, 2003, 11:59 AM
Originally posted by Big Booger


I am guessing the down pipe connects to the header. :D




It connects to the Turbo Outlet Pipe. The 4 exhaust runners terminate very shortly into one port, which is used to spin the exhaust part of the turbo. Then the outlet pipe is next, then the down pipe.:cool:

Big Booger
July 1st, 2003, 12:30 PM
I got my paperwork finished today. Will turn it in tomorrow. I cannot wait to get the car. Should take a week or more.. :(
Oh how I love Japanese red tape.

cash_site
July 2nd, 2003, 03:34 AM
As Conan suggested, a Full Exhaust system from Turbo Back would be the best for your car. However, as you have seen, it can and will be a bit pricey for the whole system. If you can do it yourself, that would reduce the cost a lot. If your on a tight budget, then as I said earlier, a CAT-back system would be fine. And if your on a tigher budget, you can just leave it stock ;)

To put it in perspective a little, a whole new exhaust system will cost around $2500 - $3000 AUD mark, so if you can get a full system for a lot less than that then you've got a bargain.

Exhaust #1 (http://www.nmd.com.au/shop/spares_partsdetail.cfm?PartID=155)

Above is just a small example of what you can get. Maybe buying online could be good. At least you get a complete kit - with instructions - so you can install yourself.

Here's (http://202.139.242.57/pricelists/200_price%20exhaust%20and%20gear%20box.htm) a good site with a whole list of performance parts for S15.

In Australia, we call s15 Silvia, S15 200SX - and I think they are 240SX in USA ?? My mate had a S13 240SX in C.A.

Anyway, I think we are getting ahead of ourselves just a little. I think first you should get the car, drive it for awhile, if you havent driven a turbo car before it'll be something different. S15 isnt that bad in stock form, just take it easy pls. Then if you are getting tired of smoking all those small-class compact cars in Japan, and want to move to take on GTR's or Supras then we can talk about some serious upgrades.

Fastgame: I would love a race with anyone. Ask SupaStar about some of our escapades in my Turbo Pulsar (RIP) . Just incase, I used to own a Turbo Pulsar, A modified Subaru WRX, a V8 semi-racecar. Like Conan, we have an idea about cars and how to make them go fast.

BB: I think phi in those articles refers to Pipe Diameter in millimeters (mm) , not entirely sure, but looking in context i think so.

Most of the fastest cars are turbo charged or at least supercharged. You are right about the fuel Milage, except you will hardly be Off-boost ;) especially when you can do 100 on the freeway :biggrin:

to see and understand how a turbo actually works go here (http://www.areadiesel.com/whatisaturbo.html) for a simple explanation

Big Booger
July 2nd, 2003, 05:27 AM
Thanks yet again. I will be getting the car in a week or so, and I will let you all know when I do. I plan on driving it for a while and will do the upgrade to the exhaust in a month or so after I have the car. I will definitely get a new filter and heat plate ASAP. Hopefully the dealer will take care of most of the maintenance issues, as they must so it will pass the shakken inspection :D

I will be going in 2 hours to drop off half of the money, and turn in my paperwork. Then they will call me and tell me when to bring the second half and the car should be ready.

Also getting fiber optic this weekend so it will be a great week/weekend for me!

Big Booger
July 2nd, 2003, 13:31 PM
I spent a few hours today scrounging around on my favorite auction site. This is what I have found of interest:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33742&item=2421453867

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=42610&item=2421920177

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33638&item=2421983777

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=36475&item=2422023367

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=43808&item=2421893752

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=43808&item=2421894331

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33630&item=2421553132


Let me know what you think. Again I more than likely will not purchase these, was just looking :D

Conan
July 2nd, 2003, 15:21 PM
1st, that Blow off valve will be useless once you change all the turbo piping when you replace the stock intercooler. Get one later on after you change the intercooler.

2nd, the Greddy downpipe looks acceptable, except that it's not Stainless Steel. Mild steel is cheaper but less durable.

3rd, that wing spoiler is really old style.

4th, the Front Bumper kit looks okay but won't fit if your car is actually an S15.

5th, that S13 Intercooler may have fitment problems with S14 and definitely will have problems with S15.

6th, that Blast exhaust system is pretty expensive for a not so popular brand.

7th, that MR3 exhaust is for the American version of the Silvia which only has a naturally aspirated engine. There are no factory Turbo engines (20SRDET) in the U.S. Aftermarket imports are the only way to get a 20SRDET engine into the U.S.

Big Booger
July 3rd, 2003, 00:28 AM
Well thanks for the rundown. I will be getting the K&N cold air filtration system:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&category=10368&item=2421862638

I think that is cheap for what you get. I just don't want to deal with Japanese websites.. it is trouble. I have to ask my wife to translate and then she knows what I am going to buy so she starts the complaining :D

The wing wasn't even supposed to be there oooppsss
:D

As for the S13 intercooler, again that was a mistake:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2421893973&category=43808&rd=1

That is made for an S15, and If the car is an S14 I think it will still work. What do you say Conan?

You really think that blast system, including the front pipe, for around $200 is expensive?

The only thing I was worried about was the diameter which the seller doesn't list in the ad. :(

I will most likely have the exhaust system put on in Japan. BUt I wanted to compare prices :D

Was that blow off valve cheap? I plan to change the piping etc of the turbo when I change the intercooler now that you told me it was necessary :D

I'll keep looking on ebay so I can get a general idea as to the cost of parts etc.. this of course will be an ongoing project. I'll also be looking here, in Japan, but it is hard to find that crap with English information. :D I want to keep the wife out of the loop as much as I can.

Conan
July 3rd, 2003, 02:52 AM
Originally posted by Big Booger
Well thanks for the rundown. I will be getting the K&N cold air filtration system:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&category=10368&item=2421862638

I think that is cheap for what you get. I just don't want to deal with Japanese websites.. it is trouble. I have to ask my wife to translate and then she knows what I am going to buy so she starts the complaining :D

The wing wasn't even supposed to be there oooppsss
:D

As for the S13 intercooler, again that was a mistake:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2421893973&category=43808&rd=1

That is made for an S15, and If the car is an S14 I think it will still work. What do you say Conan?

You really think that blast system, including the front pipe, for around $200 is expensive?

The only thing I was worried about was the diameter which the seller doesn't list in the ad. :(

I will most likely have the exhaust system put on in Japan. BUt I wanted to compare prices :D

Was that blow off valve cheap? I plan to change the piping etc of the turbo when I change the intercooler now that you told me it was necessary :D

I'll keep looking on ebay so I can get a general idea as to the cost of parts etc.. this of course will be an ongoing project. I'll also be looking here, in Japan, but it is hard to find that crap with English information. :D I want to keep the wife out of the loop as much as I can.

Sorry I missed the 200 dollar price tag of the Blast system. What I saw was its quote of $ 1,500 for the whole system including the front pipe. When you do change your exhaust, make sure it's the whole system and not just the end muffler.

About the piping, this is included in most Intercooler upgrade kits. I wouldn't mess around between Silvia models. Though they share the same SR20DET engine, there are mild differences in their layouts.

My advice to you Boogs about keeping you wife out of the loop is to find a reputable "Speed Shop" (one that isn't just after your money but is willing to give you sound parts and upgrade advice) then stick to this one shop for all of your upgrades.

I go to this place called SPEED MODE (http://www.speedmode.com.ph/) for all of my parts. He even discourages me from buying things if he thinks that the price to horsepower/benefit ratio is not good. He also doesn't want me to spend when the Yen-Peso exchange will put me at a disadvantage.

Big Booger
July 3rd, 2003, 03:10 AM
Well I got to thinking about the guy down the street who runs a tuning shop. I can't speak Japanese adroitly enough to discuss upgrades, pricing, etc.. I wished I could and it would be simple for me. I actually think it would be cheaper to get the parts here, as there's no shipping fee, installation would be simple considering these parts come from Japan, etc..

What about that K&N filter? That is not so much money and I can install it myself most definitely. Like I said, I will be asking questions here for a while, until I get it down. My first turbo-charged car, and first step into ricedom. :D

Conan
July 3rd, 2003, 03:19 AM
Originally posted by Big Booger
What about that K&N filter? That is not so much money and I can install it myself most definitely. Like I said, I will be asking questions here for a while, until I get it down. My first turbo-charged car, and first step into ricedom. :D

K&N is okay, but get the heat shield along with it. I am using something similar at the moment. My first air filter was ARC (http://www.arcinter.co.jp/in,box.html). Now that they have an Option Air Filter, I might be ordering the filter element soon. The aluminum box is of outstanding quality but it cost me a lot then ($ 280)! But that was when I didn't have the heat shield and the filter element kept on getting ruined until they ran out of elements (from my first lousy overpriced speed shop- Redline Racing)

Big Booger
July 3rd, 2003, 03:57 AM
The K&N lasts the lifetime of the car:
REMEMBER, THIS KIT COMES WITH A PREMIUM K&N CONE FILTER THAT WILL NEVER NEED TO BE REPLACED.

THIS PERFORMANCE INTAKE KIT IS A COMPLETE BOLT ON AFFAIR. INSTALLATION TIME IS AROUND 30 Minutes Maximum.

The Kit Is Completely Reversible, You will not need to harm or modify anything on the car to make it work. You can easily go back to stock.

I will be getting a shield before I install the filter. I might even make my own. 1 piece of 1/4 inch aluminium, 2 mounting holes, and bam I'd be in business. :D I am Mr. Budget cause I gotta slip all these upgrades past my wife :P

She already knows I am getting an exhaust system installed in the near future but I want to keep her out of the loop as much as possible.

I appreciate your advice Conan as I know you have already done this stuff. So keep it coming. Should I go with K&N with heatshield/box or get an ARC filter with insullating box?

cash_site
July 3rd, 2003, 07:39 AM
Well BB, you are making some good research into the new field of RiceRacers LOL

Its good that you are looking around to see what sort of options you have for your car. Have you any idea yet whether its S14 or S15, looks like most of your parts are for S14. No problems though, both are magnificant cars :D

You can by a blow-off valve now and fit it, will just need a new little section to T-Piece it in place. THen when you upgrade Intercooler, you can make new T-Piece with new piping. SO if you find a good deal on Ebay, you can get it (just link first ;) )

The Blast Exhaust wasnt too bad... For $200 instead of $1500 is good deal. Just make sure its not a fake advertistment.

I really wouldnt keep your wife out of the loop - thats asking for trouble, in the end she will find out - being Japanese gives her a big Advantage ;) She might get into the car scene too, and gives something to share. :D

Oh, tough question about K&N and ARC Box - they both look nice. I wouldnt mind the ARC box, however, make sure which one ie. is filter on top or forward facing. On top means you'll need a hood scoop to push air down into engine bay and into box. With Forward facing, you just point and shoot just like the K&N. Still the big problem is you are getting air from under the hood which is HOT!

I recommend the K&N with heatshield, PLUS, ducting from lower front bumper opening to directly infront of K&N, that way you are getting fresh & COLD air and pushing it right into the filter.

just a point on the Lifetime stuff, it means you dont have to buy a new element, you can remove it and wash it and re-oil it with special K&N oil.

I will try and find a photo from my magazines about the air intake setup. Its a place most people dont do enough for max performance.

Big Booger
July 3rd, 2003, 08:40 AM
I recommend the K&N with heatshield, PLUS, ducting from lower front bumper opening to directly infront of K&N, that way you are getting fresh & COLD air and pushing it right into the filter.


That is well noted about the duct work. Got a link for the duct work? :D I will most likely go for the K&N. I have emailed the guy and will get a response about the shipping :D

Thanks for your advice and I hope to seek it often on this topic.
:D

Conan
July 3rd, 2003, 10:49 AM
Originally posted by Big Booger

I appreciate your advice Conan as I know you have already done this stuff. So keep it coming. Should I go with K&N with heatshield/box or get an ARC filter with insullating box?

Even with the ARC (forward facing element for Silvia's) box you will still need a heat shield to block the air coming from the radiator fan. I would prefer the ARC box but choose the alternative element which is color blue (similar to K&N style).

Originally posted by cash_site

ducting from lower front bumper opening to directly infront of K&N, that way you are getting fresh & COLD air and pushing it right into the filter.

I have not installed this yet, but what I did is to remove the Plastic Guard behind the Headlight thereby creating a new "hole" for air to get right in front of the filter. The original air cleaner also comes with a "snorkel" that directs air to the filter. I tried putting the snorkel back but it becomes too hot in traffic, so I have since removed it.

Big Booger
July 4th, 2003, 05:52 AM
I bought the K&N filter, pipe, etc..

and I bought a universal heatshield. It is not a box, but rather a semi-circle unit that I think will look nice and work well. It won't crowd the inside of the car and will allow cold air (with the duct work I will install later) to rush into the filtering unit. :D

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2421862638&category=10368&rd=1#BID1

There's the filter, and below is the heatshield:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&category=10368&item=2422200461

It's not a box, but I think it will do for my purposes.

cash_site
July 4th, 2003, 12:43 PM
Ok, everything looks good from what the pictures are from Ebay. They were a good price too, I would be happy with them ;)

Just a quick point about the heat shield... I thought it was going to be square and block around the air filter. The one you bought totally encases it, except down the bottom. If you install this heatshield, I recommend installing the ducting ASAP!! It is very important, i dont think there will be enough air flow with the shield on and stuck in lowspeed traffic. Those K&N filters are designed to suck are in from all angles, not just that opening at the bottom of the shield.

Conan: Did you like the ARC intake boxes? The didnt look too bad did they, would be good if you had heaps of space under the hood.

Conan had a good point with removing the plastic from behind the light assembly, just becareful as it will be prone to lots of water and mud etc from the road... do you live in an area with those problems?

Are you getting the parts delivered to Japan or parents in USA? Hopefully you get them at the sametime you get your car *YAY* :D

Big Booger
July 4th, 2003, 14:28 PM
I'll be adding the ducting at the same time that I add the filter thanks to your advice as it make sense.

They are being delivered to Japan :D $35.00

I am debating on buying a BOV for this car. They are about $100 and are from Japan so they're JDM, blitz or HKS":

JDM BLITZ DUAL DRIVE SUPER BOV S14 SR20DET
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2420987177&category=33742&rd=1

or this one:

Silvia S14 SR20DET HKS SQV BOV JDM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2421453867&category=33742&rd=1

both are about the same price and look in about the same condition.

Conan
July 4th, 2003, 15:56 PM
Originally posted by Big Booger
I bought the K&N filter, pipe, etc..

and I bought a universal heatshield. It is not a box, but rather a semi-circle unit that I think will look nice and work well. It won't crowd the inside of the car and will allow cold air (with the duct work I will install later) to rush into the filtering unit. :D

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2421862638&category=10368&rd=1#BID1

There's the filter, and below is the heatshield:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&category=10368&item=2422200461

It's not a box, but I think it will do for my purposes.

Stop buying stuff before your car arrives! You don't need any of those accessories that comes with that K&N filter kit. You just need the filter, period (it has to be the proper diameter). Silvia's don't have any space to attach pipes before the air filter. FYI don't buy anything intended for the US version 240SX as it has a different engine.

I also have to disagree with that heat shield as it effectively stops half of your filter from sucking air in. Another thing that heat shield does not protect the rubber neck of the filter which will eventually melt, just like it did with me.

This is a picture of the actual heat shield and air cleaner in a Silvia:

http://www7.plala.or.jp/tok/silvia/image/tuning_heatseald_power-intake/side_01.jpg

http://www7.plala.or.jp/tok/silvia/image/tuning_heatseald_power-intake/side_02.jpg

Big Booger
July 4th, 2003, 23:47 PM
I bought that tube and pipe because I want it to look schweet :D

As for the the shield, I will be running duct work straight to the filter from the front of the car. I think it will work :D We'll see. No real harm done at 130 US :P

cash_site
July 5th, 2003, 02:16 AM
Well... Conan is right, you must be careful looking for parts/accessories from 240SX they are not Turbo, so definitely piping will be different. Well at least you could keep that piping and use it to make a T-Piece for the HKS BOV you want to buy ;) The important parts are the Air FIlter, of course, and also the MAF adaptor and the ring ties to hold everything in place. :D

Conan, I thought when he was looking for a heat shield that it would be like the one in your photo. Actually, thats looks like a very good setup ;) Is it yours?? They've kept the ducting from on top of the radiator pointing into the airfilter area too. Nice :D

Your setup will be ok BB, you shouldnt be generating too much heat to melt stuff - you arent going drifting are you ?? :P Conan, how did yours melt? was it rubbing against something? Would be interesting, at least would give an idea how to stop it from happening - might be able to coat the plastic with something to prevent melting or heat build up ??

Your final point is right, everything is trial and error if you want to learn, and cheap - we would be upset if you did things to blow an engine!! :mad: But this is all fun, right ? :biggrin:

Dehcbad25
July 5th, 2003, 04:41 AM
And 3 years later it comes DEHC :p
Congrats BB in your new car.
Of course I cannot understand 95% of what you all wrote, but it seems that BB head is working a lot in tunning that car, even before he had it at home ;)
You are lucky!!!!!:D
I am still looking for my new car. Car seem expensive and difficult to find used. Well, the Eclipse that I am looking is available, but not for the price I am looking ;) Everything is over 12K and I want under 10K :p
Conan BTW, I didn't see any info in Eclipse after 2K model (I like that trim better) having 4 wheel drive, Do you know if they are all fron traction now??
Also, do you know a good web site to read information for cars?? Easy to search thru, and with detailed specs, as the traction type per model?? ;)

Conan
July 5th, 2003, 05:13 AM
Originally posted by cash_site
Conan, how did yours melt? was it rubbing against something? Would be interesting, at least would give an idea how to stop it from happening - might be able to coat the plastic with something to prevent melting or heat build up ??



With the Pic that I posted of the heat shield, all the rubber components of the filter will be all right. With the half-shield that Boogs got, it will still leave the rubber neck of the filter exposed. Mind you the rubber meltdown I was referring to will not happen immediately but slowly, to the tune of 1 month maybe. You'll just notice later on that there is a hole on the top portion of the rubber neck.:eek:

Originally posted by Big Booger
As for the the shield, I will be running duct work straight to the filter from the front of the car.

You will see when you get your car that there is not much space to work with. When the original intercooler is removed (for a bigger front-mount one) that is the only time that a proper duct can be made for the air-filter.

Originally posted by Dehcbad25

Conan BTW, I didn't see any info in Eclipse after 2K model (I like that trim better) having 4 wheel drive, Do you know if they are all fron traction now??
Also, do you know a good web site to read information for cars?? Easy to search thru, and with detailed specs, as the traction type per model?? .

Sorry Dehc, I lost all interest in the Eclipse after they stopped production of the Turbo engine. Your best bet for info is still good old Google!:)

Big Booger
July 5th, 2003, 08:05 AM
Conan,
I plan on turning that heat shield with the exposed area toward the fender wall and away from the engine/radiator etc..
:D
Don't you think that will work? I mean it doesn't get that hot on the fender wall side AFAIK.

The image you posted really looks more crowded than the car I bought. From memory, this was a week ago, it looked like I had more space under the hood than the image you posted, but I could be wrong. If memory serves me right, and sometimes it doesn't, I think there was a long tube from the throttle body to toward the passenger side headlight. That was the tube I was going to replace. But your image looks different from the car I bought... though I could be just not remembering it well :D

LOL

I am just anxious to get the car and pimp it out :D

Conan
July 5th, 2003, 09:22 AM
Originally posted by Big Booger
Conan,
From memory, this was a week ago, it looked like I had more space under the hood than the image you posted, but I could be wrong. If memory serves me right, and sometimes it doesn't, I think there was a long tube from the throttle body to toward the passenger side headlight. That was the tube I was going to replace. But your image looks different from the car I bought... though I could be just not remembering it well :D

LOL

I am just anxious to get the car and pimp it out :D

That long tube is the Intercooler Pipe going from the Intercooler towards the Fuel injectors.

Big Booger
July 5th, 2003, 09:41 AM
What about the heatshield? I mean turning the opened space toward the fender wall should cure the melting situation right?

Conan
July 5th, 2003, 09:57 AM
Originally posted by Big Booger
What about the heatshield? I mean turning the opened space toward the fender wall should cure the melting situation right?

Like I said in my earlier post, your heat shield may deflect some of the hot air leading to the filter but the rubber neck of the filter is still exposed (actually this is where the shield connects to which is not good, then again with Japan being colder than the Phil. who knows?). You would still be better off looking for a heat shield like the one I posted a picture of. Only time will tell if the filter will withstand the heat.

I also don't think you should get a Blow-Off Valve at the moment. Finish the air, exhaust then intercooler upgrades first.

Big Booger
July 5th, 2003, 10:23 AM
I might purchase another shield later if it becomes a problem. :D I think I'll wait on the BOV. Exhaust will be next then the intercooler.

After that, maybe a BOV, new Turbo, etc.. :D It will be an exciting project for me :D

I want to do as much of it on my own as I can. I might take it down to the tuning shop to let them do the adjustments and such. :D So I don't have to buy any of that equipment.

cash_site
July 6th, 2003, 02:44 AM
You can get the BOV when you do the intercooler - you have to make new pipes anyway.

Im sure you will be happy with the stock car plus the Airfilter anyway... maybe Conan, and you and me can get together and race from Hiroshima to Sapparo ... wouldnt take that long :D

Well, keep us updated when you get the car etc.

Later on, when you get everything done, you will have to get the computer tuned for the new parts. You can get a new chip made up or install whole new computer system or get a unit that plugs into the computer eg Apexi FX control unit that does Fuel and Ignition Mapping. Then get a tuner to Dyno tune it, then it will smoke'm

At then end you could potentially have a 500 HP car even more!!

SR20DET motors are super strong!! By that time you could upgrade to a R34 GTR :biggrin:

Conan
July 6th, 2003, 03:55 AM
So much toys, so little money!:msnwink:

Big Booger
July 6th, 2003, 04:07 AM
Conan what all have you done specifically to your car? Just so I can see the route you took.

Conan
July 6th, 2003, 04:37 AM
Originally posted by Big Booger
Conan what all have you done specifically to your car? Just so I can see the route you took.

First I bought the Tanabe (http://www.rd-tanabe.com/english/exhaust/gpm/gpm.html) exhaust with downpipe (all Stainless Steel). Then I removed the contents of the catalytic converter (no laws regarding this yet in my country, good for around 10 HP gain!) Then I got the ARC Air Filter Box, a couple of months later found a guy to make my Heat Shield. Later on I had to get an S & B (http://www.bakerprecision.com/sandb1.htm) filter since they stopped importing the ARC filter.

Then I got some Cusco Aluminum Intercooler Piping (for the stock intercooler) this "stiffens" the accelerator response since the stock pipes are made of PVC which expands and contracts depending on the engine heat. This also prepared my sytem for running higher boost as I will explain later.

Later on I though that my Turbo was busted as there was this weird sound everytime I would hit 4,000 rpm (when the turbo fully opens up). So I ordered a new Turbo (http://power-enterprise.co.jp/exp/turbo/sil_15/sil_15.htm) with actuator which upped my boost to 1.1 Kg or 1.07 BAR or 15.6 PSI. Stock boost is 11.37 PSI. Later on we found out that the old turbo was just dirty as the PCV hose that vents into the turbo was venting too much oil. So we killed off that hose and I suggest you do the same too.

At the same time I replaced the turbo I also replaced my front rotors with Project Mu (http://project-mu.co.jp/e/product/scr.html) slotted rotors. I also replaced all brake pads with Winmax Aset pads good for 600 degress centigrade.

I soon got a Boost gauge and Turbo Timer (http://www.defi-shop.com/product/vsd/bt/bt_top.htm).

I was planning to get a Cusco intercooler but I am broke at the moment!:(

I almost forgot that I am also using Sheepdog Sports SDR suspension. It lowered the car by about 1 inch and it really does a lot for high speed handling. I also added a Cusco GT rear wing. I opted to stay with stock rims since the roads here are terrible, but I upped the tires from 205/55/16 to 225/50/16.

Big Booger
July 6th, 2003, 10:11 AM
Sounds like a nice plan. I am wondering if you dyno'ed the car before and after all the upgrades?

If so what kind of performance increase are we talking about and what was the total cost?
:D

Went to the beach today and saw a sweet looking 2002/3 skyline. It was white, chrome rims, custom exhaust, lowered suspension, I was amazed :D

I am itching to start the upgrading.. but I have to take it one piece at a time :D

Conan
July 6th, 2003, 10:34 AM
Originally posted by Big Booger
Sounds like a nice plan. I am wondering if you dyno'ed the car before and after all the upgrades?

If so what kind of performance increase are we talking about and what was the total cost?
:D

Went to the beach today and saw a sweet looking 2002/3 skyline. It was white, chrome rims, custom exhaust, lowered suspension, I was amazed :D

I am itching to start the upgrading.. but I have to take it one piece at a time :D

There is only one shop here that does Dyno-testing/tuning. It's expensive! $ 40 per run, more if you have tunable electronics.

I have a friend who has a Turbo Civic which he took to the Dyno. His result was 235 HP at the wheel. Having ridden my car, he estimates it at 250 HP at the wheel.

Costs? This is the painful part:

Full exhaust system = $ 842
ARC box = $ 243
S&B air filter = $ 65
Cusco aluminum piping = $ 262
Sheepdog suspension = $ 561
New turbo = $ 1086
Project Mu rotors = $ 430
Winmax brake pads (front and rear) = $ 254
Cusco aluminum wing = $ 299
Defi boost gauge/timer = $ 205

A couple of cars that I have smoked in road races, BMW 740, Porsche 944 Turbo, lots of non-turbo Sir (twin cam Vtec) Civics and optimistic Corollas.

Big Booger
July 6th, 2003, 10:51 AM
So roughly you've invested about $4000.00 in your mods. Nice.

:D

Well I'll take a step at a time. I will try to get it dyno'ed soon, before I add anything so I know what I went from and to :D

250 horsepower is schweet for a 4 cylinder car :D

Why did you go the aluminum wing route? Kevlar, oh yeah :D

Have you touched the clutch or flywheel? What about wiring under the hood. I saw where some guy had changed the battery cabling, all the vacuum hoses, radiator, and all to the same color. Looked nice. :D He had braided hoses and all blue cabling. I can imagine it wasn't that expensive to do, but it sure made the engine stand out :D

Conan
July 6th, 2003, 10:55 AM
The latest wing material over here is Carbon Fiber. Came out shortly after I bought mine.

Big Booger
July 6th, 2003, 16:24 PM
Carbon Fiber would be schweet. Did you have a spoiler before? Or was it bare?

Is your wing adjustable?

Conan
July 7th, 2003, 00:28 AM
Just had the stock spoiler before. No the spoiler is not adjustable but it's possible to make it adjustable by changing the bracket. You don't need an adjustable spoiler unless you do race track work.

http://www.info.com.ph/~mendez/sigs/silvia03.jpg

http://www.info.com.ph/~mendez/sigs/silvia04.JPG

Big Booger
July 7th, 2003, 00:47 AM
:D Looks good amigo. Is it a manual or automatic? I forgot if you said it before or not.

Conan
July 7th, 2003, 00:49 AM
They only sold automatics over here, with the traffic situation.

Big Booger
July 7th, 2003, 04:29 AM
You ever considered the switch to manual? I was reading over at nissansilvias.com where several of their members were switching out the stock autos with manual transmissions. Some were even doing it themselves.

I don't even know if the car I bought was auto or manual, I was too excited just to get it :D

Guess I'll find out soon enough. Either way matters not to me. In fact, in Japan, it is better to have an automatic than a manual as the distance from light to light is usually less than 100-500 metres.

:D

Have you changed the flywheel or clutch? I was hearing about users getting the 6 puck ceramic clutches and the lightened flywheels on that site as well. Very interesting. I suppose I will eventually change it, maybe when the original clutch goes out.

They were saying with a lighter flywheel your acceleration in 1st, 2nd, and sometimes 3rd gears was improved. Nothing like a zippier car to cruise around in.
:D

cash_site
July 7th, 2003, 06:14 AM
Conan your car (black S14) looks really good. Would be sweet ride, where abouts in Phillipenes are you? do they race venues for drap or track work? Have you gone?

People say there isnt much weight difference between aluminum and Carbon Fibre, and is probably cheaper anyway. You have done quite a bit to that car, my mate has one here in Australia. A nice dark purple color. With Huge Chrome wheels.

So BB is your car like that, i mean is it a s14? Did you end up finding out? The conversion from auto to manual isnt that difficult, hard thing is trying to source the parts LOL, I have an mag article that explains it all if you want a scanned copy ;)

yeah BB, you'll be surprised of the power of turbo 4cylnder cars when you get yours... it will comparable of your V8 back home :D

Wait till the HP bug bites, then you'll want a transplant GTR motor in your car to run 10sec 1/4 mile ;) Also, you have advantage of living in Japan with TunerHouses around the corner, and ALSO, you can get 100 RON gas at the pump, instead of 90 RON in USA ;)

Make sure you post pics when you get the car :D

Big Booger
July 7th, 2003, 09:10 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=36475&item=2421870078

What do you all think of this kit? I'm not buying it, just looking around.
:D

I am dying to get my car. 4 more days, just 4 more :D

Conan
July 7th, 2003, 10:04 AM
@cash_site, my car is Dark Blue. I stay in Quezon City. There are legal drag races and car clubs frequent the circuits. I used to be into drag races when I was much younger. Now I am more into girls!:p

@Boogs, sorry but that body kit looks a bit hideous to me!:D My Speed Shop recommends that when the auto transmission gets used up, that's the time to convert to manual.

Big Booger
July 7th, 2003, 11:00 AM
http://ebay1.ipixmedia.com/abc/M28/_EBAY_9cdfaf9ce62286a0838f63a89544966e/i-1.JPG

surely that millenium kit looks better than the image above :D

hehehe

That sounds like good advice about the auto to manual conversion. How does your speed shop stay in business recommending their customers to always do the right thing :D

Conan
July 7th, 2003, 11:04 AM
Originally posted by Big Booger

That sounds like good advice about the auto to manual conversion. How does your speed shop stay in business recommending their customers to always do the right thing :D

Well, I'm one of their most valued clients.:D Sometimes they don't even require me to pay immediately, pay when able. I haven't taken them up on this yet as I feel uncomfortable with debts to pay.

Big Booger
July 7th, 2003, 11:21 AM
I read this about a stock air box or pod filter. Very interesting:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
some info for you guys.

My car came with a pod filter when I bought it.
I recently got the standard air box and bought a TRUST panel filter.

The R32 GTST's have a button on the air con cosole which tells you the outside (ambient) temp.
I had also purchased a digital temp gauge and probe which I had jabbed in to the pod filter.
I also had a foam/heat proof shield partition between the pod and the engine bay.

so I could basically see the outside temp and then also see the temp of the air going in to the pod filter.

now that it's winter, driving at night at 60 with no traffic around, the outside temp shows about 15 degrees.
the pod filter shows about 22 degrees.
in stop/go traffic the outside is about 17 degrees.
pod filter shows up to 45 degrees.

I got some time on sunday morning to put the box back in.
I jammed the temp probe in the box as well just before the entrance to the air flow meter.

driving around sunday DAY, outside temp shows 18 degrees
air box shows 18.3 degrees
stop go traffic, outside temp shows 22
air box shows 28.
the highest I saw was about 38 degrees (after driving around in a car park for 15 minutes looking for parking)

on the drive to work this morning at 7:30 am... outside temp was 7 degrees (fuk it was cold)
air box was 7 degrees.

I have to say that apart from the better temperature numbers, the car feels like it revs better and has a little more low down power and still red lines without a worry and doesn't struggle or anything.

so my point (after the little story above)....
Standard air box ROCKS. Pod filter is crap unless completely sealed off from engine bay...
and I don't mean a partition.. I mean completely sealed off with a cold air feed to it..
but why bother when the standard air box already has that..
just a better panel filter is perfect..
plus, no defects.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------


What do you say?

Conan
July 7th, 2003, 11:54 AM
He doesn't have a heat shield!:D

Big Booger
July 7th, 2003, 12:13 PM
The R32 GTST's have a button on the air con cosole which tells you the outside (ambient) temp.
I had also purchased a digital temp gauge and probe which I had jabbed in to the pod filter.
I also had a foam/heat proof shield partition between the pod and the engine bay.

he had that. Why would you need the shield with a pod?

cash_site
July 8th, 2003, 05:44 AM
This comes back to the point i made about the ducting pipe straight to the AirPod filter. He might have had a heat shield but obviously not a ducting pipe. AirPods allow more air into the engine, which is good, but unless sealed and getting cold air, they let in a lot of hot air, which is bad. You could look at physic formula to work out the effect of temp on air.

Thats why if you put the airpod on with that shield, you'll definitely need ducting pipe. Another good idea was the picture Conan showed of the silver car with the heat shield, what was important was it still had the ducting pipe on top of the radiator!

Another trick I did on my car, was install the Airpod and surround it with the original airbox. So it has its own ducting pipe, and is surrounded so not breathing hot under hood air ;)

But the good point of that article, was he had a temp probe to analyse the inlet temp and ambient temp. You could do the same and experiment with different setups ;) Try stock, then your AirPod, then with Heatshield and ducting etc.

Big Booger
July 8th, 2003, 06:46 AM
That definitely sounds like the steps I'll take Cash_site. The guy shipped my products on Monday. He charged me $38 for the shipping, combined. I was very please with that. He had quoted me a price of $35 for just the K&N kit. :D

Thanks for the suggestions. Keep them coming.

Big Booger
July 10th, 2003, 12:49 PM
http://members.iinet.net.au/~pnpadv/car/cold.jpg

Saw that today. I think I will model my installation with the heatshield I also bought, after that. I will use a foam or 1/4" thick piece of sheet metal, with rubber on the top to prevent heat from getting to my filter. I may even add a sheet to the upper portion to really make it work well. The ducting I will also be doing. I know it may be tough, as there is little room to work, but I will make it work!

:D

cash_site
July 11th, 2003, 01:16 AM
There you go BB, thats almost perfect. Great Pic, also notice the silver flexi-ducting at the bottom.

That shouldnt be too much trouble to do on your car. Would be good experience etc.

Good luck.

Big Booger
July 11th, 2003, 01:30 AM
Thanks to you cash_site, I'll be adding that duct work. In fact I asked my wife to help me find that ducting. She has a good idea where we can get it, so we'll see. :D

On another note, what kind of wax do you guys use on your rides? I am a maguiars fan and in the states I used Blue Coral products as well.

What do you do and how do you do it when you go to clean your car?

Any of you using touchless automatics? Surely you aren't taking it through the rubber slapper? :D

Conan
July 11th, 2003, 02:14 AM
Well, I've tried Blue Coral products in the past and I've found them to be no good. One of the best that I've tried is Zymol. Meguiar's is good but their 3 step products are a bit too tiring to apply. I've had good results with Tutle Wax's Extreme Cleaner Wax.

Big Booger
July 11th, 2003, 02:17 AM
ZYmol,
That is a new one for me. I'll have to check it out. Blue Coral has always worked great for me. There no buff wax rocks. You just apply it, and never buff it.. though it leaves you feeling like you didn't do a thing, even though your car glows :D

Big Booger
July 13th, 2003, 08:11 AM
Saturday, Went to get my car..
it's not ready yet.. they are recharging the air conditioning.. and are waiting for the air conditioning gas to come in.. :(

I found out it is definitely a S14, and I will post picks and more info later.
:D

SupaStar
July 13th, 2003, 08:40 AM
Bah! A/C! Just wind down the windows while you are crusing along...hehe :p

Does it get very hot in Japan?

Big Booger
July 13th, 2003, 08:44 AM
It was about 30 or 31 yesterday.. hehehe The pavement was smoking LOL

It is mainly humid.. I mean at 70-90%, even at 24-29 degrees, it is uncomfortable..

And then it rains, and rains, and well, rains.. rain+humidity+high temps= absolute discomfort :D

:msntongue

i am dying to get this car.. ahhhhh But I will be glad if the car comes to be in the best condition.. I am happy they are taking their time and doing it correctly. But nearly 3 weeks is just too much IMHO.

Big Booger
July 14th, 2003, 02:36 AM
Conan,
Have you swapped your stock fuel pump for a high performance unit?

Several members over at the Nissan silvia forums recommened it. They even found some great instructions:
http://sr20.hybrids.jp/installations/walbro_fuel_pump/

I am considering it. Especially the walbro unit that pumps 255L/h, and is rated up to 550hp or so. :D

What do you say? The installation procedure looks to be a snap, and I can get a Walpro 255L/h pump for about 79.99+ shipping :D

Conan
July 14th, 2003, 03:13 AM
Originally posted by Big Booger
Conan,
Have you swapped your stock fuel pump for a high performance unit?

Several members over at the Nissan silvia forums recommened it. They even found some great instructions:
http://sr20.hybrids.jp/installations/walbro_fuel_pump/

I am considering it. Especially the walbro unit that pumps 255L/h, and is rated up to 550hp or so. :D

What do you say? The installation procedure looks to be a snap, and I can get a Walpro 255L/h pump for about 79.99+ shipping :D

The only reason for you to change your fuel pump is if you've changed to bigger injectors which the stock fuel pump cannot handle. If you maintain stock injectors with an upgraded pump, you'll probably flood the engine. And when you do change to bigger injectors you would have to re-map your ignition and fuel delivery. Stick with the factory fuel pump!:D

Big Booger
July 14th, 2003, 03:36 AM
http://www.pandablue.com/nissansilvia/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=8422&KW=walbro&PN=0&TPN=2

I thought the same thing, with more fuel going in, the car wouldn't be able to handle it with stock injectors. But after reading that thread, it seems it will work fine. One user posted that it would just use more gas, while another said after they installed it, it didn't change the fuel economy.

I have posted a question about this, and we'll see. Several of their members own tuner shops, so I am anxious to see the result of this. Thanks for the advice.
The reason I want to upgrade the fuel pump is because the car has 50K on it, and in Japan it is all stop go, stop go. I want to change the components that I know are worn. I'll hit the brake pads, rotors, got the new filter coming :D, might even upgrade the stock injectors for some newer high pro injectors. I went to autobacs on Sunday and looked at several addons :D Looked at a set of 18" polished chrome 5 stars with Bridgestone Potenza tires. They were expensive. Looked at several muffler systems, and so on. :D Only looking now. I think I have caught the car upgrade bug or something. Like the Silvia SARS :D

cash_site
July 14th, 2003, 03:46 AM
I used to use The Turtle Wax that Conan Suggested, works well and simply to apply. We have other brands in Australia, PolyGlaze, dont know if they're anywhere else.

I think we are hanging for you to get your car too, waiting for pics and info. Yeah, you'll need the A/C, they're designed not so much to keep you cool, but to remove Humidity!! Obviously a major problem is Japan.

I agree with Conan, if you keep standard injectors and standard injector timings then you'll be ok with the standard fuel pump. Im pretty sure too, that if you increase injector timing to the max on the standard injectors, the standard fuel pump should be ok.

But if you upgraded injectors, you will more likely need a new pump.

You actually can get more power from your car from standard by tuning it - that is, manufacturers make the fuel mix really rich at top-end to stop Pinging, which blows engines. But they do it too much, so you tune it - 'lean' the fuel mix, reduce amount of fuel going in. You lean until it pings/detonates, then go back a couple of steps, so at all points on fuel map you are just under boarderline so making MAX power :D

Now, the advantage of bigger fuel pump on standard injectors, is it allows you to put more fuel in with lower injector timings and standard injectors (saves money, right). You only need more fuel if you are going to make heaps more power, and current setup is just too LEAN even at max timings etc. This would occur with new cam, exhaust, bigger turbo and boost etc.

I recommend adding a fuel-pressure gauge, so you can see what the current pressure is, also, some injectors have max fuel pressures, and any more pressure will only damage them. See you arent really after pressure but fuel flow. You need to keep the pressure constant. so need to match injector size with fuel-pump flow.

cash_site
July 14th, 2003, 04:01 AM
I wrote the above post before your one BB, in theory you should use more fuel due to increased pressure of high-flow pump. But it wont be too bad, since engines have a return fuel line for excess fuel. So if its not used it simply goes back to the tank :D

Ok... just read that link to the Nissan Forum... These guys are talking about seriously modified cars. Making lots! of HP. Your's would be around 130-140Kw at the wheels, or 206kw@engine Japan regulations. these guys are running like 300-350kw@engine So, really you wouldnt need a big fuel pump unless you had that power.

Fuel pumps are fairly reliable, most times its the soleniod inside that wears out, not actual pump mechanism. Which is a quick fix, DIY easy. I just replaced mine, first time in 300,000 Kilometres!!

So dont worry about that, you should check brakes and rotors, good idea.

Yes, the bug is called HP.More.Power@Turbo more like a virus from Symantec LOL Just buy 2F2F and see what mods they do ie NOS :biggrin:

Conan
July 14th, 2003, 12:03 PM
Wow Boogs, you already spammed them with 150 posts! By the way going up to 18 inch rims will lose you a couple of HP, around 8 maybe.

Cash_site, we have Polyglaze products here too. Are their waxes any good?

Big Booger
July 14th, 2003, 13:12 PM
Hey I need advice quick
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2423403074

that FMIC $600 shipped.. what do you say? I've got the money.. just wondering if it is worth it??

I've spammed them.. they deleted one thread because I said Japanese men's breath stinks hehehehe they said that was racist LOL I was only kidding.. even got some serious research articles to back up my statement LOL

That site rules for silvias! I might drop it back down to 17 inch rims then, they are much cheaper.

Conan
July 14th, 2003, 14:09 PM
Originally posted by Big Booger
Hey I need advice quick
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2423403074

that FMIC $600 shipped.. what do you say? I've got the money.. just wondering if it is worth it??

I might drop it back down to 17 inch rims then, they are much cheaper.

Looks ok but I would wait until you physically have the car first!:D Even a plus one increase to 17 inch rims will still lose a bit of HP. It's really a trade-off between looks and losing some power due to an increase in "unsprung weight".

Big Booger
July 14th, 2003, 14:32 PM
I should get it on wednesday. hehehe That is a decent price I thought, I mean 600 shipped :D But I might go for a Japanese brand, like HKS, APEX, or another.. I heard that the Hybrid come from truck cores and they are not as good as a performance FMIC.

Big Booger
July 15th, 2003, 10:19 AM
I got the car today, and woooooaaaaaahhhh daddy, 0-60 in 4-6 seconds hehehe I love it. The damn turbo sounds awesome at 100-150 hehehe

Got it parked in the garage for now. Waiting on insurance.. ohhh am I waiting. Just found out it will be 100000 yen for insurance which is about $900 US... considering that my current car cost me $200 US or so.. this is outrageous hehehe but oh well, I love my car.

HEre are some of the details:
S14 1998
Jet Black with grey cloth interior
Automatic with overdrive
16 inch factory rims
factory spoiler
factory fog lights
carroziera (sp?) tape deck w/ 10 band equalizer
carroziera (sp?) CD player
climate control
power windows, power seats, power locks
factory exhaust

Not too bad considering what I paid for it.. :D hehehe

I will be adding the K&N filter this weekend! Man am I stoked.. To be able to hear that turbo kick in is sweet.

Things they put on my car:
New water pump
New Plugs
New valve cover gasket & sealant
New front end strut bars
New silicon (ball joints) not too sure as he said it in Japanese
Oil Change
New Air conditioning hoses and gas recharge
New power steering hose
etc...

Things they didn't do:
change the tranny fluid
change the air filter
change the brakes or rotors (they changed the rear pads)
change the wiper blades


I am impressed at just the stock car so I think I will drive it around for a few months.. It is a big difference from my previous granny car :D A little wider and the roads in Japan are tiny so it will take time for me to adjust..

Man am I glad I bought this car :D

Conan
July 15th, 2003, 15:17 PM
I'm glad you're enjoying the S14!:D

Big Booger
July 15th, 2003, 15:23 PM
It rocks. Turbo cars kill V8s in acceleration.. there is no doubt about that, from my experience.

I have found the shop that I will be hitting up hard for parts and upgrades after a few months of breaking in my car.
http://www.greenline.jp/catalogue/bcpartlist.php?make=Nissan&carcode=S14A&intake=FI#engine

:D

cash_site
July 22nd, 2003, 06:46 AM
Whoa... I've missed a view days from this :( Might have signed in and out and lost new post count.

Well... I was just thinking if you had gotten your car yet! So you picked it up last week sometime. Your initial reactions "FCUKin Great!!" Does it just thow you back in the seat when you hit full-boost!! ??

You need to post some pics? We're hanging out for them.

FYI, about the Intercooler you wanted quick info about. Truck Cores are not as good as the ones you could pick up from Japan, for that stuff just go to HKS or TRUST etc, will be cheaper, more sizes for your car and you could take it home without waiting.

The thing with wheels and tyres is a little more tricky. Sure they might add a little unsprung weight, but you need to consider the extra grip you will get from the extra width. And really the weight would only come into effect when doing standing starts, cos once rolling it wont really matter. Just need to look for rubber that'll fit and see if insurance covers them. Just get wheels that look MAD!! set of chrome covered ones would be good.

I checked out the Greenline place, looks good with wide range of parts. It was founded by some Australian Guys. It was hard to tell if they are in Australia or Japan. they are good none-the-less.

Well congrats, hope you have fun, and remember to stay safe.

ps. dont do any of that drift stuff, from that vid clip.

Big Booger
July 22nd, 2003, 08:03 AM
Well I took the car to Kyoto to the Star Wars Exhibition. I was hitting well over 180+km/hr part of the way. Had to slow down as we neared to Osaka, then from Osaka to Kyoto it was nearly bumper to bumper because of a car accident. I saw a couple ferraris, Beemers, Porsches, BMWs etc..

Saw a few Skylines, a few Altezzas, a legacy or two, IMprezza, and so on..
But on my whole trip I only saw one 180, looked to be a 1990 model :D

I'll be posting pics, but they won't be of good quality :P Sorry I still haven't forked over for a new digital camera. :D

I might pass on the FMIC for now. I will be mounting the filter this weekend. Next month I hope to add an exhaust system. I am looking at an Apexi N1 catback. We'll see if it pans out. Rims and tires are looking to be my Xmas gift to myself hehehehe

cash_site
July 23rd, 2003, 06:58 AM
Rims and tires are looking to be my Xmas gift to myself hehehehe

I love these presents :D They are good for B'Days as well.

Apexi N1 catback

It'll be good, but not the best you could do... I reckon you should save the cash and then buy a full exhaust when you can afford it. That way you will get the full experience when u make an addition ;) Am im sure I was hitting well over 180+km/hr part of the way is fast enough for now, right? :p