Mozilla vs Firefox?

[chloroform]

I moved to Mozilla last week, using it for the first time ever. Bottom line: Internet Explorer is forever dead in my heart.

Can someone tell me what the main difference(s) between Firefox and Mozilla are? I hear about Firefox a lot, but haven't been able to get a grasp on what it actually does. I'm pretty sure it's a browser, though I'm also sure there are a lot of differences between it and Moz. Thanks for the help.

[rik]

Firefox is just a browser where Mozilla is a full web suite...Integrated mail client and such.

[shadow_warez]

plus firefox has image probs, and it cant show gifs, at full speed, and embedded images dont work on certain websites.

[phishhead]

plus firefox has image probs, and it cant show gifs, at full speed, and embedded images dont work on certain websites.

so install and use Opera :D

[FastGame]

It's what rik said. Firefox is a faster gutted out Mozilla, you can build in the options you want with the extensions & plugins. Mozilla & Firefox are the best, they work 99% of the time on everything with far less problems than *any* of the non-IE browsers.

If it sounds like I'm stating fact...well your right I did, I'll leave the "IMO" for the Opera guys :D

[shadow_warez]

but opera has a goofy lookin UI things arent in thier right places , not sure if i should just keep cleansing all firefox junk out, of reg till its been clean for 2 weeks, but every time i try installing it in a new place my sig is gone and my Av is slower then a 486 running win2k3 data cetner,

[MSNwar]

Opera Rules, lol. I love it.

[shadow_warez]

welli need a proper browser, Firefox is kacked on my system, images wont work, anyone know of a tool to clean firefox form your sys, not add/remove, or regedit, lol something like driver cleaner,

[Conan]

welli need a proper browser, Firefox is kacked on my system, images wont work, anyone know of a tool to clean firefox form your sys, not add/remove, or regedit, lol something like driver cleaner,

Well after experiencing a tweaked Firefox and discovering this http://www.numion.com/Stopwatch/ where you can test any browser for loading times, I say except for all the security vulnerabilities IE is still faster than anything else.

[efc]

I have been the Mozilla cheerleader for the past two years. I have been using it since version 0.9 It was better than IE two years ago. Now there is absolutely no way to conider them equal. Mozilla is king.

Here recently it has been catching the eye of the tech community. Tech TV is now recommending it as the best available browser. PC World Magazine also named Mozilla ver 1.3 the Best Browser of 2003. The interesting thing is that by the end of 2003 version 1.6 Final had been distributed. http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,110653,pg,11,00.asp

Why choose Mozilla or Firebird?

1. Built in popup manager. With IE you need another program.
2. Junk mail management. Mozilla will learn what you consider junk mail and then carry out your instructions for handling it.
3. Easy access to stored cookies.
4. Password management.
5. Form manager to store data entered on internet forms.

I download every release of Mozilla and Firebird. As of now, I prefer Mozilla. Someday Firebird may mature to the point that I will change to it, however not yet.

Mozilla 1.7b is scheduled for release next week.

[FastGame]

Well after experiencing a tweaked Firefox and discovering this http://www.numion.com/Stopwatch/ where you can test any browser for loading times, I say except for all the security vulnerabilities IE is still faster than anything else.
Well thats true but I don't understand why anyone with a fast net connection would care about how fast a page loads. everything else about Mozilla/Firefox smokes IE...I'll use a IMO this time :p

MyIE2 is a front end for IE and it works great.. better than that O thing ;)

Shadow, Firefox doesn't write a bunch of stuff to the registry. use RegCleaner.

[Conan]

Well thats true but I don't understand why anyone with a fast net connection would care about how fast a page loads. everything else about Mozilla/Firefox smokes IE...I'll use a IMO this time :p

MyIE2 is a front end for IE and it works great.. better than that O thing ;)

Shadow, Firefox doesn't write a bunch of stuff to the registry. use RegCleaner.

Well while my 384 kbps may be faster than dial-up, it still is no match for speeds from the US, Canada, and so forth. Well I tested how fast the browsers load Techzonez and Firefox took 4 seconds longer than IE. That to me is pretty significant. It's like having a faster processor, less waiting time. :)

[FastGame]

Hey I don't know what to say...IE loads TZ front page 1 sec faster than Firebird for me :)

while you bring up faster processer :p have you ever thought of switching to AMD ?

[Conan]

Hey I don't know what to say...IE loads TZ front page 1 sec faster than Firebird for me :)

I've noticed that most of Mozilla/Firefox users haven't tweaked IE. I've tweaked IE a bit. Try the load times of the Forum front page.

while you bring up faster processer :p have you ever thought of switching to AMD ?

I did so in the past, right before the 800 FSB units came out. :)

[FastGame]

I did so in the past, right before the 800 FSB units came out. :)
LoL how did I know you would say something like that...hehe

Conan have you tried MyIE2 ? how is it ?

[Conan]

LoL how did I know you would say something like that...hehe

Conan have you tried MyIE2 ? how is it ?

No I haven't tried it. I'm not a fan of tabbed browsing. I normally open a new page for every link that I visit.

Additionally, in relation to the processor topic, AMD processors are quite late in being released in my country. A few companies who were raided by AMD due to remarked processors, now gave up on AMD and now only carry Intel.

[lynchknot]

mine's better :assshake: :eek: seriously, in my machine - FF is better. Shadow, I don't see how the browser could mess anything up in your pc. Something else is going on there.

[Conan]

mine's better :assshake: :eek: seriously, in my machine - FF is better.

You've never tweaked IE and you've tweaked FF extensively. Not a pretty fair comparison is it. :crazy:

[Reverend]

I see some of you have turned this into yet another anti-M$ thread.

The title of this thread is "Mozilla vs Firefox?" and not "Mozilla/Firefox is better than IE". :rolleyes:

[chloroform]

That's for explaining guys. If I understand correctly, Mozilla is the whole web suite, while Firefox is just the browser, though not the exact same one that comes with the suite.

Thanks :).

[rik]

Well after experiencing a tweaked Firefox and discovering this http://www.numion.com/Stopwatch/ where you can test any browser for loading times, I say except for all the security vulnerabilities IE is still faster than anything else.

All tests were loading the TZ frontpage.
Slimbrowser 3.926
IE 3.315
Firefox (w/o tweak) 3.695

All in all it comes down to whatever you prefer...As Rev has pointed out in the past, more sites are optimized for IE but die hard FF, Mzilla, or Opera fans will use what they want. I seem to like all of them, but I guess that I tend to use IE frontend browsers more often than any other. Slimbrowser being my browser of choice.

[efc]

Reverend has posted the release of Mozilla 1.7b. They claim some significant speed improvements. That information fits into this thread.

Source: Mozilla.org
"Compared to Mozilla 1.6, 1.7b is 7% faster to start up, 8% faster to open new windows and 9% faster to load pages. And it does all this while being 5% smaller.":eek:

[SupaStar]

Sounds great EFC, but I still prefer the features (incl. similar to IE keyboard shortcuts) that Firefox offers :D

[Conan]

Sounds great EFC, but I still prefer the features (incl. similar to IE keyboard shortcuts) that Firefox offers :D

Me too, for the same reason.

[lynchknot]

Want speed? The fastest browser out there, IMO/E, is K-meleon.

[shadow_warez]

does anyone have the same prob i do, i cant use a explorer mouse with mozilla any version, but i can in IE and fireFox,. but i got rid of firefox, its C#@p still images not showing up, and my sig isnt showing, and my av is slower then my P166 with 32 mb of ram, lol, but mozilla dont have that prob, the av is super fast lol, but the middle button on my explorer dont work with mozilla, i just cant win with any other browser, i delted firefox, did a regclean, went into the reg got rid every known trace of mozilla, or firefox, and i waited 1 month every day i did a clean up of registry, i install it today all my bookmarks and data is still thier? i used Evidence eliminator 5.5 ace utils. web roots,. i deleted my ramdisc, everything, still no go,

[lynchknot]

I don't think it's Fx. Something is amiss with your pc config or you got a bad/wrong version.

There are thousands of people using Fx without your problems.

I see your sig and all images - java and flash is working fine - and I use a 5 button trackball mouse.

I'm using an AMD optimised version of Fx - Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7b) Gecko/20040319 Firefox/0.8.0+ (BlueFyre)

Here is where your profiles (bookmarks,settings,extensions,themes, etc) are (must enable "show hidden files" in folder options

C:\Documents and Settings\your name\Application Data\Firefox\Profiles\

I always make a few right-click-copy/paste of my profile and keep them in different places - like partition D.

[Staind]

Loading of Page Infoseek:
IE (no tweak): 7.5 seconds
Firefox 0.8 (no tweak): 5.6 seconds


Nice. :(

Oh, to whoever wants to completely delete Mozilla Firefox, don't forget to delete your profile which is found in C:\Documents and Settings\USER NAME HERE\Application Data\Phoenix

[SupaStar]

Thanks for the tip Staind.

Anyone know how do remove a failed XPI? This one has been sitting there for months (it's the Sun Java installation) even though Java is installed and working.

[Staind]

There should be, in theory, a button you hit in Tools -> option -> download manager that says "clear all files from download manager history" or something of the like. Sorry if this is sketchy, I don't use FireFox anymore (Mozilla 1.7 RC user ;)).

I wish Firefox and Thunderbird had more integration.

[SupaStar]

Yeh there is, but it only works for downloads that have the status 'finished'. The one in the screenshot does not.

[Staind]

Have you tried disabling the Download Manager then re-enabling?

[SupaStar]

Nope. That didn't work. :(

There must be a file somewhere that I have to delete. Either that, or uninstall/reinstall Firefox perhaps.

[Staind]

If it's really bugging you, go with it; but I would just wait. Firefox 0.9 is just around the corner. ;)


Oh: I've had files do this before too, I can't remember how I fixed it though. Have you tried just right clicking on it and hitting cancel?

[SupaStar]

Yeh nah...I'm not worried. I'll wait it out.

It can't be cancelled. Does not work. Right clicking brings up a tiny blank menu.

[guillaumeb]

Well, when webmasters will understand that we need multimedia contents compatible with Gecko browsers then maybe i'll switch ...surely not before...First of all I'm tired of all those pseudo buggy builds of Mozilla or Firefox, each time you gotta trash all your pseudo-tested addons gotten here and there. Also I don't wanna have to choose my sites, or well, let's say, to limit myself to certain sites only because online radios or streaming TVs require IE.....And should it be Moz, FireFox, Opera, IE IS the fastest, that's a fact....at least at home, it is
Oh and I sure won't use two browsers, I think that's really dumlb since i could limit myself to one only...IE. What's the point of usinf FF only to use open source....?
I sure hope webmasters works towards Gecko compatibility...

[FBM357]

Another question for you guys....

How many of you still use multiple browsers? or do you mainly use 1? if 1, which? Also, any issues regard firewalls and AV's? IE has vulnerabilities, what are the issues with the other browsers (other than speed)?

Just wondering before I dab into the world of alternate browsers. Funny, I once used Opera and quickly learned though it said "make compatible with IE" (or something to that flavor), it still had issues with certain sites. (NOTE: it was several years ago)

[Staind]

Well, when webmasters will understand that we need multimedia contents compatible with Gecko browsers then maybe i'll switch ...surely not before...

Firefox and Mozilla work with more browsers than IE, unless you're referring to those ones that require you to have IE but there's a plug-in so you can bypass that.

First of all I'm tired of all those pseudo buggy builds of Mozilla or Firefox, each time you gotta trash all your pseudo-tested addons gotten here and there.

Since I have no clue what you're talking about here, I won't address it.

Also I don't wanna have to choose my sites, or well, let's say, to limit myself to certain sites only because online radios or streaming TVs require IE.....
There is a plug-in so that WMP will work with Mozilla, that should clear up the majority of problems there.

And should it be Moz, FireFox, Opera, IE IS the fastest, that's a fact....at least at home, it is.
I am at home and IE is 3 seconds slower than Firefox/Mozilla. I don't know what you're talking about here.


Oh and I sure won't use two browsers, I think that's really dumlb since i could limit myself to one only...IE. What's the point of usinf FF only to use open source....?
The reason why people use Mozilla or Firefox is because IE is not good. Period. It's a three year old browser that has so many security holes that Microsoft stopped caring.

How many of you still use multiple browsers? or do you mainly use 1? if 1, which? Also, any issues regard firewalls and AV's? IE has vulnerabilities, what are the issues with the other browsers (other than speed)?
I like AVG for anti virus (www.grisoft.com), although I do not use a firewall everyone recommends Zone Alarm (www.zonealarm.com). Both products are free.

I generally use Mozilla 1.7 only.

[SupaStar]

I'm a Firefox regular. I like the tabbed browsing and I love the array of keyboard shortcuts. I like the addins that you can download too. I have a graph that shows my current ADSL quota usage (see attached).

I'm also big fan of the built in download manager. No need for a second dedicated program on most machines since the little built in one lets me pause and resume all those larger downloads.

And since it's work in progress, there's always the fact that it will continue to grow.

IE is still on my PC, just for the occasional site that won't work in Firefox. It's extremely rare.

[Dehcbad25]

fastest web browser is one I seen in Linux, which only displayes text. You can't beat that ;)

[SupaStar]

LoL...true but text pr0n is no good...:p

Not that I would know.... :rolleyes:

[Dehcbad25]

Lmao :rofl2:
I could imagine that for a second. I will look at the office. I think I have an example for ya ;)

[guillaumeb]

Originally Posted by guillaumeb
Well, when webmasters will understand that we need multimedia contents compatible with Gecko browsers then maybe i'll switch ...surely not before...

Firefox and Mozilla work with more browsers than IE,

>>>> ? what was that ?

unless you're referring to those ones that require you to have IE but there's a plug-in so you can bypass that.

>>>> OK so do you know a plug-in that does work for Launch.yahoo.com, Netscape/MSN Video website? If so i'm interested

Quote:
First of all I'm tired of all those pseudo buggy builds of Mozilla or Firefox, each time you gotta trash all your pseudo-tested addons gotten here and there.

Since I have no clue what you're talking about here, I won't address it.

>>>> Well each time a new build comes out you gotta search here and there for compatible add ons, skins and themes that are pseudo tested and completly unofficial..the upgrade is everything but smooth. I don't think this is the right way to present a browser and it will surely discourage Mr and Mrs Everybody to switch to FF or Mozilla....The presentation is not turned to newbies - though Moz does have a nice site compared to the most ugly former one- They simply lack promotion in my opinion and I think this is too bad because more people would not refrain to switch and therefore webmaster would be more aware of the situation...

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Also I don't wanna have to choose my sites, or well, let's say, to limit myself to certain sites only because online radios or streaming TVs require IE.....

There is a plug-in so that WMP will work with Mozilla, that should clear up the majority of problems there.

>>>> Well this plug-in obviously did not work for me...Also take simply Yahoo Mail composer for example....why can't I compose in HTML through Gecko??? what's the heck are we still in the early 90s???? Why is Yahoo Plus dynamic homepage giving a compatibility error through Opera? etc... Now I agree the fault is to be attributed to the webmasters but do you really think Mr Newbie will wanna change all his habits simply to switch to a new browser ??? No way...

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And should it be Moz, FireFox, Opera, IE IS the fastest, that's a fact....at least at home, it is.

I am at home and IE is 3 seconds slower than Firefox/Mozilla. I don't know what you're talking about here.

>>>> Talking about my experience, through Gecko or Opera the pictures take forever to get displayed (DSL 1.5MB - Athlon XP 1800+ - Memory 512mb)

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Oh and I sure won't use two browsers, I think that's really dumlb since i could limit myself to one only...IE. What's the point of usinf FF only to use open source....?

The reason why people use Mozilla or Firefox is because IE is not good. Period. It's a three year old browser that has so many security holes that Microsoft stopped caring.

>>>>Oh sure IE might be weakened by security holes...but there is a always a patch...I never ever had problem using IE...I got an antivirus and a Firewall, you don't have to be that smart to recognize a spam email leading you to a phishing website...But the threat IS here through IE and that's a good point of Gecko browsers


So well, as I said I would switch if more sites were compatible...I guess I maybe unlucky

[lynchknot]

lol - it's the "portal boy"! wonder what happend to the beloved Yahoo SBC or IE explorer?
Try to listen, you will learn something if you truly listen and be willing to understand other's point of view. There are no dummies here and you will not convince anyone with your reasoning - we know better. Your browser requirements sounds like a newbies need for a "swiss army knife" of browsers. Sorry, I don't mean to offend but you seem to come here every few months to argue IE's merits. It's not going to happen. You will not convert anyone.

BTW, IMO Kmeleon is THE fastest of them all but speed is not the most important for me - it's configurability - Firefox is tops. It's a stripped down version of a high performance browser that you build yourself. Add only the features you want - the theme you want - The browser is custom tailored with only your specifications - it's personalized - not what someone else thinks you want. There are some 130 extensions to choose from.

It's great. It reminds me of building a custom Harley Davidson.

[Conan]

Sorry to chime in and defend IE, but when I was at my last job searching for web sites of potential employers, several sites just didn't work with FireFox. I had to close it and fire up IE just to get to the contact details.

[guillaumeb]

lol - it's the "portal boy"! wonder what happend to the beloved Yahoo SBC or IE explorer?
Try to listen, you will learn something if you truly listen and be willing to understand other's point of view.
>>>> Listening, even reading and replying ...

There are no dummies here and you will not convince anyone with your reasoning -
>>>> Who says there are dummies over here?

we know better.
>>>> I don't think so, sir

Your browser requirements sounds like a newbies need for a "swiss army knife" of browsers. Sorry, I don't mean to offend but you seem to come here every few months to argue IE's merits. It's not going to happen.

>>>>> Whatever I want to happen will happen I dont think I need your consent upon this. obviously nobody's able to defend Gecko when those points are upheld....just an observation...As for my needs for a browser I simply don't get stuck in the early 90s when webbasedHTML, online radios, online tv were not yet widespread

You will not convert anyone.
>>> Already said once...are you afraid, do you need to convince yourself or something ?

BTW, IMO Kmeleon is THE fastest of them all but speed is not the most important for me - it's configurability - Firefox is tops. It's a stripped down version of a high performance browser that you build yourself. Add only the features you want - the theme you want - The browser is custom tailored with only your specifications - it's personalized - not what someone else thinks you want. There are some 130 extensions to choose from.
>>>> Customizable...? tell me how do you put a software link or a folder link or even a drive shortcut in Firefox link Bar?

It's great. It reminds me of building a custom Harley Davidson.
>>>> We sure can' t speak about speed on Harley Davidson

[FastGame]

>>>> We sure can' t speak about speed on Harley Davidson
There's a reason Harley's are slow....its so people have time to recognize who the cool guy is.......;)

[rik]

I have a graph that shows my current ADSL quota usage


Do you remember what that plugin is? I would like to get that one.

[efc]

Something needs to be said here. We need to look at history to understand how our current web environment came about. It is not a simple "one is better than the other".

:DSorry Rev, this is the place that I bash Microsoft again.:D

There was a time when the only real browser was Mosaic. It was developed by The National Center for Supercomputing Applications (NCSA). The application release in 1993. I purchased Mosaic and used it until Netscape 1.0 was available in late 1994. Netscape was an immediate success used by the vast majority of people venturing onto the new internet.

Internet Explorer did not appear until 1995. MS employed a number of strategies to make sure that they emerged and the most used browser:

1. The included IE in every package of windows.

2. They forbid vendors to install Netscape on computers sold. Vendors could only install IE and other MS products on computers they sold. Failure to agree would mean that MS would not sell them Windows at a price that would allow them to compete in the market place.

3. Later they included "Front Page", a WYSIWYG (what you see is what you get) application for building web pages. The problem was that Front Page had some protocols that were properly handled only in IE. Things just didn't look right in other browsers. It was not a level playing field. As millions bought computer and used the free products, the competition was driven to the brink.

Other browsers had to try to handle both the standard and MS protocols. This practice continues today.

We all owe a debt to alternate browsers. Without the improvements being made to the alternate browsers, MS would have no reason to improve IE.

Today, you might not see anything wrong with MS giving away software. I will try to explain by conveying the time when I was attempting to move from a x386 66 MHz computer to Pentium 90 MHz. I had Windows 3.2 and Windows 95 Upgrade. All I needed was the hardware. Every place I called, vendors stated that their contract with MS required them to include Windows with every computer they sold. If you wanted the hardware you were forced to buy the software. I have despised Microsoft ever sense.

Final thought. We should insist that MS use the same standards as the rest of the world. Nah, I'm dreaming. That will never happen.:rolleyes:

[lynchknot]

There's a reason Harley's are slow....its so people have time to recognize who the cool guy is.......;)

Slow? How does a 100hp 93" stroker with massive torque right near the bottom rpm grab you? - never lost a short stop light to stop light race.

There are much bigger displacement harleys as well.

As far as browsers go, let the clueless have their way.

Also, it is not the fault of the browser that some site don't work, it is the web designers not adhering to standards. If they follow WC3 standards, all browsers should work.

land speed record on a harley: Jul. 14, 1990 Bonneville, USA Dave Campos - Harley "Easy Rider" 322.101mph.

Though, like I said - it's not so much the speed, but Configurability

BTW- I was an AFM/ARRA motorcycle roadracer and at that time in my life, I was racing Kawasaki's - but being older and wiser have come to realize the true beauty of Harley/clone type American motorcycles.

As they say, "If I had to explain, you wouldn't understand" - which has become evident in this thread.

And this is a "Mozilla vs Firefox" thread. Why do you bring IE into this thread? Can you not understand the title as well?

[lynchknot]

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[FBM357]

>>>> We sure can' t speak about speed on Harley Davidson

:D funny. Though I'm not a huge fan of HD, I give credit where it's due. Being a drag racing fan, I give HD huge props because they have 2 bikes which are wreaking havoc in the Pro Stock Bike division (yes, HD bikes are now running with/passing their Japanese counterparts!) :eek:

Now back to the subject at hand... :D

I d/l Mozilla (yesterday evening) and so far very pleased. I haven't yet replaced my use of Outlook (need more time with Mozilla), but so far so good! :)

[lynchknot]

From a very popular security forum:

Ditching IE for general purpose browsing is a smart move security-wise and will sidestep a lot of the malware floating about out there (though dropping it completely is harder since Microsoft force you to use it to access Windows Update ). Windows 9x/ME users do gain the extra benefit that if the browser crashes, it does not necessarily take the rest of their system down with it.

With regard to other browsers, the most popular choices would be Firefox and Opera (the first is free, the second is ad-supported with the option of registering to get rid of the ad pane). There are a few others that use the IE engine (like MyIE which adds extra features) but this would, in my view, mean that they could be compromised in the same way as IE itself.

The main downside are brain-damaged webmasters who either forsake standard HTML in favour of proprietary extensions (both Microsoft and Netscape are guilty of these, but the former more so nowadays) or who try to block alternative browsers. Firefox should be slightly less affected (since such sites usually pay lip-service to Netscape browsers) Opera and Firefox allows you to change your browser ID to get around this (the current opera version defaults to an MS-IE user ID now).

Or course, SP2 will change security issues but not standards compliance

[SupaStar]

Do you remember what that plugin is? I would like to get that one.

Of course I do! It's at http://netusage.mozdev.org, but this particular one is targeted at Australian Broadband Users. There are however, alternatives out there.

[SupaStar]

Also, it is not the fault of the browser that some site don't work, it is the web designers not adhering to standards. If they follow WC3 standards, all browsers should work.


All too true. The sites that don't work are generally poorly coded.

And efc is absolutely right, most users have know no better than to use IE since alternatives have never provided.

[lynchknot]

hehe, wow - I had no idea as I have not followed drag racing

Series points leader Hines was the top qualifier aboard his Screamin’ Eagle Harley-Davidson V-Rod with a run of 7.072 seconds at 190.03 mph that set a new track ET record for the Pro Stock Bike class.

[Conan]

As far as browsers go, let the clueless have their way.

Also, it is not the fault of the browser that some site don't work, it is the web designers not adhering to standards. If they follow WC3 standards, all browsers should work.



Please stop referring to IE users as clueless as I've tried the alternative browsers out there and I still choose IE because it's my PREFERENCE.

So what's the relevance of web designers not adhering to standards to me as an end-user? The only thing relevant to me is a lot if sites don't work with other browsers and I had to use IE to access them properly.

Now keep this thread clean with no insults or name-calling or I'll BAN your asses, LOL! :D

[lynchknot]

Sorry Conan - I was not referring to you at any time. Just to those who insist in arguing why IE is best and fail to listen to other's point of view. I started out with IE Explorer - IE - MyIE2 - Phoenix. In that order. I have learned by spending enough time with each to arrive at my conclusion. Whatever floats your boat.



Please stop referring to IE users as clueless you make it sound like I repeatedly refer this. Whatever.

So what's the relevance of web designers not adhering to standards to me as an end-user - you really don't know? Then nevermind. I'm not going to get into it.

[Conan]

- you really don't know? Then nevermind. I'm not going to get into it.

What I mean is, since I don't have any control over what Web Designer's do or implement, my only choice is to use IE for these sites that don't work with other browsers.

[rik]

Please stop referring to IE users as clueless as I've tried the alternative browsers out there and I still choose IE because it's my PREFERENCE.


Awww hush...you're clueless... :D


Just like you, I use whatever browser I prefer at the time, and whichever suits the situation at that time.

[lynchknot]

What I mean is, since I don't have any control over what Web Designer's do or implement, my only choice is to use IE for these sites that don't work with other browsers.

Yeah, I don't bother voting for the same reason. :p - kidding.

[guillaumeb]

Well the thing is, anytime someone will talk about Microsoft software advantages or simply give an opinion, this person will always be associated to the Dummy Group by pseudo geeks ... Like as if we haven't tried Linux, Moz, FF and other alternatives, like as if we just discovered the computer world... That's pretty relevant of those people who blind themselves and are unable to get a critical point of view.
I personnaly test various softwares/OS for Microsoft and comparing those to the alternative is really interesting.
Whatever standard are being broken by MS, the facts are here...some sites do not display well in gecko or Opera...Not that I support that...that's pretty unfair but so what ??? how do you want to fight against this if you don't promote your software at a bigger scale ??? it's not like 10% of the internet surfers that will do it...I understand it may not be easy, I just think the open source world appears a bit disordered to the eye of the beginner from an external point of view and i just say that may refrain beginners from switching to those good alternatives... back to the days when I used Mozilla, friends would not stick to it because they had tons of problems with addons websites compatibility, they did not know which version to download....Hopefully things will get clearer when/if MS had to implement alternative browsers within the OS
Apart from creating robots that would force websites to respect standards I really don't see how to do.

Now Mozilla or Firefox ? I would say Firefox simply because from what I heard it is being developped quicker than Mozilla ...

[lynchknot]

Yeah, might as well just give in and surrender since open source appears a bit disordered to you.. Back in the days? You mean when you discovered but were confused over Yahoo SBC and IE Explorer and came over here insisting you were right and most everyone else was wrong?

Sorry, I don't like some of these threads - i'll just stay out of them.

Have a good one. :)

[guillaumeb]

Exactly what I just described, pseudo geeks pretending to know everything and dimishing other to boost their pseudo anti-MS pride...yeh stay out of this thread...better for you, not that you bring any valuable opinon anyway

[lynchknot]

Yeah, like I said - give into IE, like you do, and surrender - you should be good at it. - :p

[rik]

[FastGame]

Man-o-Man, guess web browsers are like Politics & Religion

on the count of 3 lets all take a chill pill, 1..........2...........3

Ahhhh :)

[efc]

Maybe a Midol would be more appropriate.:D

[Conan]

Maybe I should move this thread to Political Chat? Nah I'll just lock it. :jedi: